Extracting freebase without naphtha

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Hi all,

I'm looking for a path to extract freebase DMT without naphtha and I wanted to sense-check my thinking. Why do I want freebase and why do I not want to use naphtha? Naphtha is somewhat dangerous to handle and it is difficult to find clean naphtha in some parts of the world. As for freebase, I understand (and I could be wrong here) that a breakthrough experience almost demands freebase.

Based on what I've picked up on this forum, I have the following options to extract DMT freebase without needing naphtha:

• BLAB (my preferred approach)
• Jorkest D-limonene + Sodium Carbonate Paste & Pull conversion
• Amor Fati's Nontoxic tek + Sodium Carbonate Paste & Pull conversion instead of clay-scraping

I also considered Q21Q21 (tek 1) and HIELO teks. Q21Q21 doesn't seem to be optimal for a vape setup, while HIELO seems to offer vapes in low concentrations, which is why I dismissed these.

Questions:

• Am I correct in thinking that freebase is indeed highly recommended for a breakthrough?
• Is my shortlist of teks sensible? Are there any others you might want to add?

Many thanks!

 

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while HIELO seems to offer vapes in low concentrations

The end product of HIELO is perfectly fine in its concentration as long as you're using a proper device (that is, not a vape pen). You can find very good info on what to look for when buying a proper device here: A 2026 sub-ohm e-cig setups guide for DMT e-juice vape

Regardless of concentration, a vape pen is very sub-optimal.

Am I correct in thinking that freebase is indeed highly recommended for a breakthrough?

No. If you plan on vaping it, it makes no difference whether you're using freebase or citrate (including citrate that you've made by adding both freebase and citric acid to PG).

Is my shortlist of teks sensible?

Yes, that's up to your preferences, but the teks are fine.

Are there any others you might want to add?

Reconsider HIELO. As for q21q21, why would it not be optimal for a vape setup? As long as the end result is DMT, how you got there doesn't really matter. And even less for vaping, because you can easily make vape juice from goo or heavily polymerized DMT, and those are less suitable for normal smoking (vaporizing).

 

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The end product of HIELO is perfectly fine in its concentration as long as you're using a proper device (that is, not a vape pen). You can find very good info on what to look for when buying a proper device here: A 2026 sub-ohm e-cig setups guide for DMT e-juice vape

Regardless of concentration, a vape pen is very sub-optimal.


No. If you plan on vaping it, it makes no difference whether you're using freebase or citrate (including citrate that you've made by adding both freebase and citric acid to PG).


Yes, that's up to your preferences, but the teks are fine.


Reconsider HIELO. As for q21q21, why would it not be optimal for a vape setup? As long as the end result is DMT, how you got there doesn't really matter. And even less for vaping, because you can easily make vape juice from goo or heavily polymerized DMT, and those are less suitable for normal smoking (vaporizing).

Thank you for weighing in!

Okay, there are a few threads going on here:

• vape pens & sub-ohm rigs: I don't have enough experiment here, but I've heard some people say that vape pens will just not deliver a breakthrough, others say that you van absolutely breakthrough with them, it's just harder. I have a Yocan Uni Pro and a 1:1 cart, so far I've had a pretty intense threshold experience and I think that I may be able to push it further, but I still don't know if I can break through on it or not. I've looked into the sub-ohm setup though and I would like to get that organised, but I will need to source the equipment from overseas (it's illegal where I am) and it will take a while before I get my hands on it. So, do you feel that vape carts are not suitable for breakthroughs?
• HIELO: for clarity, I've been doing some research with LLMs and the conclusion that I've landed on was that HIELO can only produce a low-concentration vape juice, which is why it is not fit for a breakthrough. Whether this is true or not, I find hard to tell. If I can dismiss this, then HIELO actually seems like an excellent tek to follow. My only other concern would be dosages -- with freebase, I have a good understanding of how to mix it for changa, pharmahuasca, carts, etc, but with raw HIELO juice, I think it's less obvious. Thoughts on this? Is concentration an issue with HIELO? Is it indeed difficult to dose properly?

 

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do you feel that vape carts are not suitable for breakthroughs?

It seems to be certainly possible. But then you're absolutely required to have a very high concentration DMT juice, and it's still going to be more difficult and unpleasant, as they aren't able to deliver much vapor. The same high concentration juice with a tank+mod setup would be effective with much less inhalation.

Whether this is true or not, I find hard to tell

It's not true. LLMs aren't a good tool for something that is not very well represented in their training material (plus a big chunk of their training material on these topics being from places like Reddit, where there's a lot of misinformation). It may be true with a vape pen, though.

My only other concern would be dosages

Yes, this is the main drawback of HIELO. For e-juice it doesn't matter much, as it's not possible to know your dosage accurately with vaping anyways, and it's usually based on experience and feeling. For changa it would likely not be that big of an issue either. But for pharmahuasca it's true that you won't know your dose at first, and would have to first try with a low dose until you figure out how strong it is.

It's also possible to use HIELO for the extraction itself, and then extract freebase from the HIELO honey that you aren't planning to use for e-juice, just by adding a base and pulling with any NP solvent. As the HIELO honey only has DMT citrate and water, you don't need to worry about a given solvent pulling any other alkaloids.

So, those are the tradeoffs for HIELO. What to choose depends on your preferences. To me, HIELO is the obvious way if your intention is to produce e-juice. But for freebase, I'd go with some other. You can always use HIELO for e-juice (given that it's easy and quick) and use some other for e.g. DMT for pharmahuasca. That way, you won't be vaping away the effort put into getting the freebase.

 

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As for q21q21, why would it not be optimal for a vape setup?

One more quick question on that: do you think it's reasonable to combine Q21Q21 with the Sodium Carbonate Paste & Pull conversion in order to extract freebase?

 

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One more quick question on that: do you think it's reasonable to combine Q21Q21 with the Sodium Carbonate Paste & Pull conversion in order to extract freebase?

Yes, if you absolutely want to avoid naphtha or heptane, that's a good way to go about it.

 

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Yes, if you absolutely want to avoid naphtha or heptane, that's a good way to go about it.

Thank you!

I'm afraid that I'm not a chemist, so I wanted to confirm the actual process. I believe that I would need to do the following:

1. Follow Q21Q21 tek 1 to get the jimjam tincture, evaporate the liquid and you'll be left with dry paste or powder
2. Mix IPA with the powder from step 1, let it settle, then use a pipette to isolate DMT-infused IPA (this step may be repeated multiple times)
3. Leave the IPA container in a warm, ventilated area to evaporate, leaving freebase DMT that can be scraped

Does that sound reasonable?

 

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I'm not a chemist

Don't worry, I'm not a chemist either

Follow Q21Q21 tek 1 to get the jimjam tincture, evaporate the liquid and you'll be left with dry paste or powder

Yes, but you'll be left with goo, as the end result is DMT acetate. It will be sticky and somewhat difficult to handle, that's why the tek suggests making a tincture (you don't need to make a tincture, just go straight to evaporating as much as possible, in a bain marie to avoid burning the DMT). Just so you are aware of it and can prepare to handle it.

Mix IPA with the powder from step 1, let it settle, then use a pipette to isolate DMT-infused IPA (this step may be repeated multiple times)

No, you are missing the basing step to make DMT be in freebase state. For example, your link Fumarates to Freebase Conversion TEK - DMT-Nexus Wiki uses sodium carbonate to freebase it.
Maybe you can add some water, a minimal amount to dissolve the goo. And then add sodium carbonate in a 1:1 ratio (to the initial weight of DMT acetate), adding a bit more water if needed. Then, let dry and proceed like the link says.
Maybe someone else can suggest some other options to freebase acetate goo.

Leave the IPA container in a warm, ventilated area to evaporate, leaving freebase DMT that can be scraped

Yes.

 

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Maybe someone else can suggest some other options to freebase acetate goo.

Alright, I think I kinda figured this out! Q21Q21 Tek 1 actually offers a transition point to switch to BLAB -- once you have d-limonene, you can jump to step 4 from BLAB, and it describes how to extract DMT from DMT-infused limonene, so I think I get it now. It seems like BLAB takes longer, so perhaps we can combine the best of both here

 

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it describes how to extract DMT from DMT-infused limonene

Bear in mind that it will be a DMT salt as well, so you'll still need to basify it at some point (if following BLAB, step 6).