First time hill trippin..? (Advice appreciated:))))

[Phantastica]

hello dear friends, so after all of SWIM's readings regarding DMT, SWIM finally is willing to try it. currently SWIM's in the middle of his extraction procedure and will be done in about 4-5 days. he plans on doing it sometime after that but needed some advice. this is his situation: he is living with his parents who are strongly against "drugs." So doing it in his apartment is not much of an option. so he was considering doing it on the mountains closeby his house. so his question regarding this is the safety concerns. the thing is that there are houses and a college campus on these mountains; however he's sure he can find a nice secluded spot somewhere. What concerns him is the possibility that while under the influence, could he possibly do something unconsciously that might result in physical danger, or unwanted attention. for ex. could he possibly move about, thus slipping off the hill...seizures?? (he knows body goes paralytic, but still..); or could he unconsciously scream (let's hope not), thus causing unwanted attention? this will be SWIM's first time, so i'm sure you can all understand the nervousness/paranoia. your advices are highly highly appreciated and needed!!

uno mas question btw: if sometime in the future, SWIM decided to trip in his apartment when his parents are not around, do you think he can end up in a negative mindstate while under the influence due to imagining "hypothetical possibilities"?...("omg, what if they enter the house right now; what if i'm busted"...etc.) SWIM is pretty paranoid about his parents catching him "in the act" since they're super conservative, and no one even in their entire long-distance family has touched a cigarette...lmao!. Once again thank you to everyone for responding and providing support. i really appreciate it very much

 

[DrAcai]

I'm not sure. All the three people I've seen doing it have just been paralyzed and then they woke up in a chill/refreshed mood.

No paranoia.

I personally think that meditating on the mountain beforehand could be a good plan.

But I don't know exactly how the surrounding area looks so I can't help you further.

 

[ThirdEyeVision]

Welcome to the Nexus my friend!

First and foremost, have a sitter there with you. They will make certain you remain safe. Start with a very low dose and go from there. I honestly always recommend aya first but logistics may be a problem for you.

Parents house. Yeah, mind state is half the battle. So I wouldn't partake their.

I would suggest to meditate before hand. Clear your mind of all negativity. Delete that Joe Rogan YouTube video from your computer and leave all preconceived ideas at the door. It will be an awakening, own it and let it be your own.

 

[Eden]

I highly doubt any danger from slipping, but it never hurts to be careful. Most likely you will just melt into the ground.
Screaming seems very unlikely as well. Most of my fellow travelers, myself included, are very nearly mute while under the influence.

If you are smoking the DMT, I would advise against doing so in the apartment. It leaves a very strong smell.
Paranoia will most likely be the last thing on your mind, but if it affects your general consciousness before launching, chances are the experience could turn sour.

 

[jamie]

be safe, have a guide..and good luck!

 

[ragabr]

Excuse me if it's in poor taste for saying anything, but I can only read two possible avenues in the OP, both I find very worrying. The OP could have not reached the age of consent, so I would object their participation on the forum. Or they have actively decided to violate an agreement with the parents who have welcomed them into their home after the OP would be able to find another place to live. Not only that, but making light of the parents' values and concerns.

My only suggestion to the OP is to think on these issues deeply, and to never, ever pursue an activity that could be legally considered as the manufacture of drugs in another person's home, without their explicit approval.

 

[ThirdEyeVision]

Excuse me if it's in poor taste for saying anything, but I can only read two possible avenues in the OP, both I find very worrying. The OP could have not reached the age of consent, so I would object their participation on the forum. Or they have actively decided to violate an agreement with the parents who have welcomed them into their home after the OP would be able to find another place to live. Not only that, but making light of the parents' values and concerns.

My only suggestion to the OP is to think on these issues deeply, and to never, ever pursue an activity that could be legally considered as the manufacture of drugs in another person's home, without their explicit approval.

I think everyones responses were basedon the fact that the OP was an adult. If they are not then they should not be here and definetly are not ready for this voyage.

 

[Phantastica]

thank you so much everyone for the helpful replies!
@DrAcai: Yes, meditation is the first thing SWIM does before every psychedelic journey, and in this case, it's obviously a must, so that'll definitely be undertaken.

First and foremost, have a sitter there with you. They will make certain you remain safe. Start with a very low dose and go from there.

yes thirdeye, SWIM plans on starting with 10mg in pau'd arco/mullein/full blend DMT changa; but sitter is currently not an option, so he's gotta do it solo.

Clear your mind of all negativity. Delete that Joe Rogan YouTube video from your computer and leave all preconceived ideas at the door. It will be an awakening, own it and let it be your own.

SWIM actually has quite a positive mindset, so he's between neutral and optimistic; but he has to admit that recent posts from such wise and seasoned travellers as 88 and house make him a little nervous. but then again, shit happens... nonetheless, he understand that such journeys must be undertaken when completely at ease, so he'll wait until that time...which he can feel to be very close..

I highly doubt any danger from slipping, but it never hurts to be careful. Most likely you will just melt into the ground.
Screaming seems very unlikely as well. Most of my fellow travelers, myself included, are very nearly mute while under the influence.
If you are smoking the DMT, I would advise against doing so in the apartment. It leaves a very strong smell.
Paranoia will most likely be the last thing on your mind, but if it affects your general consciousness before launching, chances are the experience could turn sour.

thank you eden for clearing up SWIM's doubts about possible screaming; that was one of his major concerns actually. But are you saying that even if the trip is horrendous, there is no chance of possible screaming. are the vocal glands paralyzed as well? also ty for the tip about the strong DMT odor residue in the apt.

Excuse me if it's in poor taste for saying anything, but I can only read two possible avenues in the OP, both I find very worrying. The OP could have not reached the age of consent, so I would object their participation on the forum. Or they have actively decided to violate an agreement with the parents who have welcomed them into their home after the OP would be able to find another place to live. Not only that, but making light of the parents' values and concerns.

ragabr, SWIM appreciates your concern regarding the immature use of the substance. In fact he holds the exact same position as you, and highly discourages its immature use. SWIM is 19yo, and fairly familiar with psychedelics and holds them in the highest regard. but he can't let his parent's innocent ignorance get in the way of his evolution.

Once again, i just want to thank everyone for such wonderful replies. i'm quite in love with this community:d

 

[endlessness]

I highly recommend reading both the health and safety sections, and the FAQ, in special the question about Ideal Setting. good luck!

 

[ragabr]

SWIM is 19yo, and fairly familiar with psychedelics and holds them in the highest regard. but he can't let his parent's innocent ignorance get in the way of his evolution.

I'm glad to hear that you're above the age of consent. I very much disagree with your interpretation of your parents' beliefs. Since you're old enough to move out, their beliefs only make psychedelic exploration inconvenient for you. Instead, you choose to explicitly violate their norms and expose them to legal repercussions when you could find your own living arrangements that don't involve treating a core relationship dishonestly and disrespectfully.

Exactly what kind of evolution do you think you're looking for?

 

[Phantastica]

@endlessness: thank you for the links; SWIM especially finds the Health and Safety guidelines extremely helpful:d

Exactly what kind of evolution do you think you're looking for?

hmmm...SWIM would have to say: to realize his true self (so cliche..lol). after reaching a complete state of nirvana on mushrooms a few times, its obvious to him that spice can aid greatly in helping him see the true nature of things oh, and moving out is not an option my friend...it'll be another year before that happens..

 

[buk]

When I was younger I did psychadelics in my parents house, who have the same disposition towards drugs that you described and I dont think it could ever be a good idea to do anything like that in the house.

You should just leave it till the right time comes when theyve gone out for the weekend or something. I personally dont like the idea of ventureing into the hills to do it you would feel safer at your house.

I'm in a similar situation where I dont want flatmates, girlfriend etc walking in with me conked out with what would look like a crackpipe in my hand. I think it would be a good idea to wait until your ready and prepared to do it and the setting is right, rather that than have a bad experience right.

 

[acolon_5]

Spice Paranioa can be very distrubing. I would avoid doing it when you might be anxious of their return. Outside settings are wonderful places. I've never seen anyone get up and start running around during a breakthrough, maybe some wiggling, or shifting.

BTW many suggest sitters, I find that they are more disruptive than if they were not there. There's not a lot they can do for you anyhow, you're only going "away" for 2-5 minutes, and have a 30 minute or so afterglow comedown. If you take too much or have a bad experience the ONLY thing you really can do is breathe, try to get in a better state of mind, and ride it out.

To me it's a pretty safe experience to have alone. I will NOT say the same for Ayahuasca...a sitter is highly recommended for Aya.

 

[Phantastica]

@buk & acolon: yes, i can imagine how paranoia about getting busted can alter the course of the trip, thus it will be done away from the influence of such places. and yes, i'm actually a lot more comfortable without a sitter, so that's the way i'll take. thanks for the advice on breathing acolon; that can be of great help under psychedelic journeys. and aya does seem pretty intense after watching the video, "Metamorphosis," where the volunteers are tripping the fuck out, "aaagghhh save me..i'm dying...i don't wanna die..please save me..." lol (i bet it wasn't funny to them) thank you both

 

[Eden]

Even during "horrendous" trips, your mind will be quite separate from your body. I'm not saying it's not a possibility, but I doubt you would even be in the right state of mind to know how to scream.
My first few voyages were done alone as well. While under the influence of hallucinogens, anyone looking expectantly at you is quite disconcerting.

In any case, outside settings are the absolute best in my experience.
All my bad trips occurred indoors and the thing I felt I needed most was the feeling of the sun and wind on my skin.

 

[buk]

I havent done it yet so I'm not in a position to say but for me it would likely be my own worry and concern about screaming or being found by someone that would set my mind in the wrong track and cause me trouble. Theres no harm in trekking there and spending some time there and not smoking any spice there if it doesnt feel right.

 

[Phantastica]

In any case, outside settings are the absolute best in my experience.
All my bad trips occurred indoors and the thing I felt I needed most was the feeling of the sun and wind on my skin.

that puts me more at ease eden; and the sun and wind sound very soothing:d

I havent done it yet so I'm not in a position to say but for me it would likely be my own worry and concern about screaming or being found by someone that would set my mind in the wrong track and cause me trouble. Theres no harm in trekking there and spending some time there and not smoking any spice there if it doesnt feel right.

yea buk i can understand the anxiety and due to the same worries i posted this thread. but like acolon mentioned that it only lasts about 5 minutes, makes me more comfortable smoking it in the hills:d

 

[spiceworm]

Tough decision. No worries about movement or thrashing or making noise to draw attention. ive read up to here - id stay out of the parents' place. Get as isolated as you can on a day wehn you fee calm, peace, serenity adn ready for anything even if it takes months. Hopefully the sun will shine on that day. Go to your secluded, isolated place and make yourself comfortable - bring a blanket and little pillow, some water and a snack as well as several doses of spice. Aim for at least slanted sunlight on you when you lauch.

Good luck!

-spiceworm

 

[88]

I wouldn't recommend going Inside with anything other than a clear mind; whatever is worrying you could come to dominate the experience.

It is unlikely that you'll move around physically, but not impossible (I found myself literally standing on my head once - but not on my first journey) and some people do vocalise while in hyperspace - I whooped orgasmically for about 5 minutes on one occasion; on another I found myself screaming at the top of my voice, "get them off me!" ... so you're right to consider these things.

I think it's important that, should you choose to go down this path, you do so in a place you feel COMPLETELY safe. Take your time finding this place.

Be safe

 

[Phantastica]

@spiceworm: good idea about light positioning and bringing blanket/pillow/snacks etc; didn't think about that actually
@88: thanks for elucidating on these possibilities. lol "get them off me!" doesn't sound very fun. i'll be sure to wait until i'm completely comfortable and find a safe space8)