FORMOHUASCA question : Will it work to .....

[locojuiceman]

Just a quick question for anyone who has experience in this area ..
Many times DMT/NMT has been smoked, especially after taking 200-300 mgs of Rue salts and thats just so awesome but before I digress too far......
Could we take the DMT/NMT crystals, dissolve them in Acidic water [ Citric ] and then add the Rue salts and take this combined as one dose and have good results?
I'm asking because usually people take the rue [ or another MAOI ] first and wait upwards of an hour or lesser to 15-30 minutes and then they'll take the DMT mixture ...
But I've only read a few times about people taking them at the same time and it was 'Aya' formulated, not 'Formosa' style [ Being ACRB DMT/NMT Crystals and Rue salts ]
..Should the dose of the Rue be considerably stronger just in case, to prevent enzymes from destroying the DMT/NMT?
I don't know why but it just boggles my mind as I'm not sure where in the body these enzymes are, as in the stomach, where the DMT could get destroyed right away or, elsewhere... ??
This SHOULD work in theory but I gotta ask because until the next extraction, the 'Goods' are in small supply and we don't want to waste any ..
Also, friends asked the question as they want to carry it in one discreet bottle instead of having two bottles of which one would be fluorescent water [ Harmalas ] ...
So ..can we just mix it all together in one bottle? This should work, right?
Please help asap
Much Love and Happy Halloween

 

[Pile of cats]

You have MAO in your stomach I believe so you potentially begin the process of breaking the dmt down as soon as it's ingested if your MAO isn't inhibited. This is why I usually drink rue 40 minutes prior to the dmt but others have said that they weren't able to get results unless they drank the two together.

What's your reason for not wanting to drink them separately?

 

[Nitegazer]

Here is a survey that was taken on the topic...
Take DMT and MAOI together or separately

You will read that most at that time said that it is fine to take your MAOI at the same time as DMT. There are a few who would disagree, but I can speak from personal experience that taking them simultaneously works pretty darn well. The source of DMT or MAOI should not matter in this regard.

I think 200-300mg crude rue extract is already a solid dose, being that it may be half harmaline. I don't think you will need any more. More might upset stomachs anyway.

 

[daspaismusflo]

If a harmalas only last 3 hours, then if you wait 30 minutes to dose DMT then you only have 2.5 hours but I suppose you could just add an extra 50mg of harmalas at the 2 hour mark and maybe a touch of DMT too..

I also think consuming freebase might slow things down a bit compared to harmala salts which you are taking.

 

[Nitegazer]

If a harmalas only last 3 hours, then if you wait 30 minutes to dose DMT then you only have 2.5 hours but I suppose you could just add an extra 50mg of harmalas at the 2 hour mark and maybe a touch of DMT too..

Not in my experience-- harmala taken with DMT resulted in a 4 hour trip; no boosting necessary.

Here's the report.
First Pharma - Caapi/DMT

 

[daspaismusflo]

If a harmalas only last 3 hours, then if you wait 30 minutes to dose DMT then you only have 2.5 hours but I suppose you could just add an extra 50mg of harmalas at the 2 hour mark and maybe a touch of DMT too..

Not in my experience-- harmala taken with DMT resulted in a 4 hour trip; no boosting necessary.

Here's the report.
First Pharma - Caapi/DMT

The length of the trip is irrelevant, I was refering to the amount of time you get to make the dmt active if you wait.

Meaning if you wait for 30 minutes before taking dmt, it is 30 minutes less time you get to trip.

The waste is neglidgible but you add up 100 trips and you might be losing a a bit of spice.

 

[Nitegazer]

I understand your logic, and it does make sense-- unless oral DMT takes longer to enter the bloodstream than harmalas.

A bit of searching on this site shows that there is no consensus around taking harmalas prior to DMT. Check the research paper linked in the survey thread I posted earlier for some interesting reading. Each person experiences pharma differently, and dosage timing is just one factor in many that affect the duration and intensity of the trip (others being salt/freebase, time before last meal, etc. etc.)

The OP is interested in determining if it is ok to take the harmala and DMT together for the sake of discretion. It most certainly is.