• Members of the previous forum can retrieve their temporary password here, (login and check your PM).

Hey Joe Rogan - Shut the F**K up!

Migrated topic.
. The reason china was so far behind the US in technology was because during the industrial age china was under a opium epedemic which devistated the population. People sat around smoking opium refused to work and crime was rampant.
Click to expand...

It should not be forgotten, that this was done ON PURPOSE to the chinese. A potentially dangerous drug is one thing, but judging it's potential to harm by looking at a historia of forced drug abuse is not a pretty thing.

Start a petition? What for? "Please mr.President, would you be so kind to allow me my sacrament" ..."no, stupid!" "mmmm...kk...bye"
 
i think the biggest issue with making psychedelics legal is that it would cause a breaking down of 'common' belief systems which the government NEEDS to stay in power..i feel they are afraid of psychedelics because if the right people took them..the structures that everything is built on would crumble...because even though lots of people do psychedelics they still have to conform to the common worldview..but if the common worldview changed because of psychedelics..there would be massive change..and the people that had power would lose it..and people that didnt have power would gain it..

now if i was in power..i would be fair and kind...but the people that WANT and HAVE power are not

it just comes down to a power struggle..people that have power do NOT want to lose it..so they make laws and keep us living in fear of them
 
benzyme said:
vovin said:
One of the benefits of the current economic crisis is that the US now realizes it cannot afford to fight the drug war.
Click to expand...
logic would tell you this, but the sickening reality is this "war on drugs" is actually sustaining the US economy, via the ridiculously counter-intuitive legal system.
Click to expand...
Economic crises always cause drug-epidemic's; crack, meth, etc. It's likely to get only worse.
 
I'm sorry 69Ron, you are never going to convince me that you are Joe Rogan. Did you ever know someone that did his cause more harm than good by the way he behaved but still put themselves up to be a spokesman for their cause. That's the kind of person that I get the impression that Joe Rogan is. 69Ron you just come off as too intelligent, articulate and well spoken to be Joe Rogan. I do believe that the big backlash on psychedelics was because of the impact that LSD was having on a whole generation during the '60s. Nixon was frightened and angry with the psychedelic anti-war generation and was hoping that somehow he could put the cork back into the bottle by making psychedelics as illegal as heroin. Things are slowly coming around now but you can never underestimate the damage that can be done by sensationalism. I would hope to give DMT a chance to be understood better by the public before having panicked kids running to the emergency room because DMT scared them. I would also hope to have articulate spokespersons for the DMT and the entheogen cause rather than someone who is intentionally abrasive and rude.
 
its too bad that if you speak out about something publicly that you will be hunted down and killed....example T. Mckenna...haha SWIM knows some people that think the government figured out a way to give him cancer to shut him up...but seriously..i WOULD NOT put it past them to do that..
 
I cant say nothing about Joe cause Ive never listened to his comedy or whatever he does but I did hear his rant about dmt on a radio station so I cant judge the man by these statements alone. But in any case I dont think dmt or any other psychedelic should be hidden. I try and educate as many people as possible on the wonders of psychedelics especially dmt since its one of the least known. Fuck big brother. If he got a problem with me he can just pull another ruby ridge on me. Entheogens are a gift of nature and shouldnt be regulated under tyranical laws.
 
polytrip said:
benzyme said:
vovin said:
One of the benefits of the current economic crisis is that the US now realizes it cannot afford to fight the drug war.
Click to expand...
logic would tell you this, but the sickening reality is this "war on drugs" is actually sustaining the US economy, via the ridiculously counter-intuitive legal system.
Click to expand...
Economic crises always cause drug-epidemic's; crack, meth, etc. It's likely to get only worse.
Click to expand...

and like markovnikov's rule in chemistry...the rich get richer, poor get poorer
 
memo said:
I'm sorry 69Ron, you are never going to convince me that you are Joe Rogan.
Click to expand...

I'm no Joe that's for sure. But I do think people need to start putting out positive information about the wonders of psychedelics. We need replacements for people like Timothy Leary, Terrence McKenna, Albert Hofmann, etc., to put a positive light on psychedelics to drown out all the negative false information out there. Now we have Joe Rogan doing it. Albert Hofmann was the only type that serious legislatures would listen to.

Unfortunately Albert Hofmann was never that outspoken about LSD, but when he spoke he spoke highly of the benefits of LSD in a way the older generations can appreciate. Guys like Joe Rogan speak to the younger crowd. He’s being a “Johnny Appleseed” for DMT just like Timothy Leary was for LSD and Terrence McKenna was for mushrooms. The neurosoup girl is also being a “Johnny Appleseed” for psychedelics in general.

Often these “Johnny Appleseed” types tend to be a little reckless. As reckless as Timothy Leary was, it was his persistent praise of LSD that got me interested in the subject of psychedelics. Joe Rogan will have a similar impact on people.

The problem with getting teenagers interested in psychedelics is that many of them are really not mature enough to be using these things. That’s the problem with Joe Rogan. But teenagers mature and eventually becomes the rulers of societies. So you may think it’s a bad thing now, but one day his recklessness could actually lead to a lift on the ban.

Look at marijuana. Some places now allow medical marijuana to be used legally. This happened because there were so many "Johnny Appleseeds” for marijuana that it eventually overturned all the negative publicity on marijuana.

There was a time when marijuana was seen as a horrible drug that would turn people into thugs and criminals and even cause people to become murderers! Can you believe that? Such outlandish lies were all over the place. Boy have times changed.

We need people speaking positively about the subject. We need more than just Joe Rogan doing it. We need people in all walks of life doing it.

I always make an effort to enlighten people about psychedelics. The more people know the truth about them, the less people fear them.
 
Yes, guys, Joe Rogan went about advocating DMT in a controversial way to say the least. I'd say the biggest downfall of the interview was the american party boy attitude that was present some sometimes, "Join my fucking DMT cult mother fuckers." But he did approach the subject matter in a somewhat intelligible fashion. Also, Joe Rogan is a straight up good guy. And be happy that a hard working, up standing, FAMOUS member of our society publicly advocated DMT. Moreover, there was no, "Is Joe Rogan hooked on DMT?" backlash by the media. No more misinformation was spread. And give the guy some credit for stepping outside of the normal holly wood realms of pot, coke and heroin. At least he tries to expand his mind. He is actually an extremely sharp and intelligent human being.
 
The psychedelic community has mostly only had damaging spokespeople. Even Huxely went too far in calling wage labor 'slavery' and advocating pure lazy self exploration at the expense of living up to the social contract. Huxely was the least damaging of the early spokespeople.

IMO the way forward is to not emphasize our differences and our supposed 'advancedness'. Maybe the way forward is the Hoffman 'we are everywhere' approach. Because we are everywhere. Many of us are successful professionals with loving families. This is what we should be emphasizing.

We are fathers and mothers and coworkers and compatriots. We are everywhere and have been for 50 years and it's OK. The society is not going to collapse. Why should it? Because Huxely, Leary, McKenna and others have said that it will. Why should anybody believe them? We contribute to society. We should emphasize that these agents allow us to contribute more. For 50 years psychedelics have enriched our culture in many many ways.

Joe Rogan is a terrible spokesperson. People with no knowledge of psychedelics listen to this crap and get understandably freaked out. This is not what we need. We need more people like Steve Jobs to come forward. Problem is, most of us aren't quite as successful as him and we have a lot to loose. (my family would be taken away if I were busted with psychedelics.) So we have to be carefull and remain anonymous. The internet is great for this.

Maybe we should tone down the hippy new age 'drop-out' 2012, alien encounter, pineal third eye bullshit and emphasize our real contributions. Or maybe I am overoptimistic and psychedelics actually do make people go crazy. My bias is toward optimism, but many people who didn't grow up in this community have the opposite bias.

How is the public/media behavior of this community influencing these biases? This is what we need to honestly ask ourselves. Societal change is generational. Cannabis law is being relaxed in the USA because the generation that is assuming responsibility now grew up learning that 'pot is not that big a deal.' What is Joe Rogan teaching younger generations about the psychedelics?
 
I've always believe in the Hoffman, "We are everywhere." approach. And the most important things is to demonstrate that the vast majority of us are loving and caring family people. And that psychedelics have helped contribute to advancement in science, philosophy, and sociology. We need to compile some kind of database that catalogues any advancement that was the direct or indirect result of a psychedelic. Lol, we are a society a generals, but none of us has a battle plan.
 
The problem wit having a spokesperson for psychadelics is that unless you have tried some kind of psychadelic in the past you have no clue what the hell they are talking about. Little grandma in western idaho sees somone like this and thinks he lost his mind. She cannot relate. Simply put the gap between those who experienced and those who have not is too far to be bridged. Only a handful of people have the courage to make this leap after they do their world changes but I have known many many friends that have reeled in horror back in my young LSD days when I offered them a hit. These were people who would take a snort of coke or a hit of weed without even a thought but bring acid into the mix and fear welled up in them quickly.
 
After reading a few books by Leary, my fear of psychedelics was replaced by fascination. As reckless as he was, his books forever changed me.

We need more people like that. The more voices we have saying positive things about psychedelics, the better off we will be in the future.

Because Timothy Leary was so reckless and excited about spreading the word of LSD to the world, we are all here today.

Probably more than 90% of the people on this forum would not even know about psychedelics if it wasn’t for Timothy Leary.

If the psychedelic community becomes too quiet, it will fade away. Merchants will stop carrying mimosa, and the rest if there are few people to sell it to.

If the psychedelic community is noisy, but in a very positive way, it will only help. But when we see recklessness on YouTube from kids using things they shouldn’t be using, we need something else positive to flood out that crap because if that’s what people are exposed to, things will only get worse.
 
I agree with 69ron's statement that the president would probably be interested in psychedelics. Any intellectual human being should be fascinated by the truth about psychedelics. I'm only 19 years old, but this is the first time in my life that I've actually felt that the decriminalization of psychedelics is possible. This is the first time I've felt we have a president who might actually listen to the vast group of psychedelic users, rather than ignoring us to protect the wealth and power of the few. That's a HUGE step in the right direction.
 
benzyme said:
s8championjgh said:
Get the facts straight.
Click to expand...

that's what j.r. should have done before he did his interview.
he said something to the effect of "every night when you dream, your brain produces heavy doses of dmt" :roll:

there's no conclusive evidence that dmt is produced during dreams, or that it's even produced in the brain at all
Click to expand...

Apparently he believes in that theory. Is there something terribly wrong with that?
Just because there is no conclusive evidence for it doesn't mean he can't advocate it.
There isn't any conclusive evidence disproving it. It's just a theory. Joe should at least say that "some scientists believe..." or something along those lines, but I don't really think him stating that is a big deal. It draws people to learn more about DMT, (which i believe is a great thing) and if an individual is interested enough they will probably soon discover that it's not a fact that DMT is produced in the pineal, etc.
 
I didn't have a clue who Joe Rogan was, so I listened to one of his you tube things. I hope you're reading this, Joe, and I hope DMT has made you humble enough to accept any criticism nobly. Here's my first impression:

1. You're too cavalier describing DMT, you don't stress the preparation and mindset necessary to avoid becoming overwelmed on a first-time trip, even though you know full well kids are going to hear what you're saying and go out and get some thinking they're going to have a riot. I think DMT is akin to a 'powerful medicine'- it should be taken with responsible guidance.

2. If you're going to act like a spokesperson don't say stuff that could be scientifically disproven in future, like the stuff about the pineal gland, because you'll then be discredited.

3. Stop swearing. Saying offensive stuff like "motherfucker" all the time does not make DMT look like something that develops people positively, which means that you are causing its opponents to polarise further against it, and you are disrespecting the molecule by associating yourself publicly with it. Why call everyone 'people who fuck their own mothers'?! This doesn't make you look enlightened in the slightest. It makes you look ignorant and obnoxious.
SWIM has stopped using sexual expletives altogether since he started smoking DMT. It's nothing to do with middle-class morality, in fact it's the opposite. It's to do with how the language we use conditions us culturally (and this is a point of academic philosophy, not new-age garbage). Sex is a wonderful, healthy thing- not the negative thing that sexual expletives make it out to be. A cunt is beautiful, a source of pleasure and life, so why would I call someone I dislike one? And a dick gives it's owner and others pleaure, so why would I call someone obnoxious a dick? I might start saying 'rash' or 'tumour' etc instead. "Joe is a rash", "Bush is a melanoma".
Asshole, shit, crap etc I'm not bothered about, but still it's going to undermine your credibility if you're acting as a spokesperson. That's why world leaders don't swear.
 
Back
Top Bottom