lol, your right. Not the best way to say it :lol:digital_phreedom said:
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How long should I hold down the brew?
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you know digi, i have read lots of reports of people drinking 50g chacruna and having no effects. from memory of reading past threads i know remember one fella talking about having good luck with chacruna his addy of choice and he was taking 1g caapi per 1.5g chacruna. something like 100g caapi and 150g chacruna. ***IM NOT SAYING ID TRY THIS JUST YET ##** just saying i wonder how much of the failed chacruna attempts are from under dosing and not from bunk leaves.
if you were to read all the reports on hear you would wonder why anyone uses chacruna!:lol: it seems quite elusive but worth it.
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Yeah.. now that I've been browsing a few more experiences, it does seem like chacruna seems to misfire quite a bit. It was recommended to me by some friends with 500+ aya experiences to start with chacruna before mimosa. They said it's more of a 'gentle spirit', and is can be much more forgiving than mimosa..
Plus I really like the idea of doing this as traditionally as possible, and as far as I know, Mimosa isn't a traditional admixture in the same was chacruna and chaliponga are used..
But yeah anyway.. I'm pretty sure the Chacruna was good. Or at least hoping so, because like I said, I got it from Maya.. I've been in touch with them through e-mail and they just seem like such great people. I told a gentleman there how much I enjoyed the HBWR seeds I ordered recently, and he offered to send me a few more grams of a new batch for free if I'd write a report for them! So I really like the people over there at maya.
Unfortunately, Chacruna can be expensive, and most of the recipes I've read only called for 50 grams, so that was all I ordered. So, at least for the time being, I'll be switching back to Mimosa for my next brews.
Yeah.. now that I've been browsing a few more experiences, it does seem like chacruna seems to misfire quite a bit. It was recommended to me by some friends with 500+ aya experiences to start with chacruna before mimosa. They said it's more of a 'gentle spirit', and is can be much more forgiving than mimosa..
Plus I really like the idea of doing this as traditionally as possible, and as far as I know, Mimosa isn't a traditional admixture in the same was chacruna and chaliponga are used..
But yeah anyway.. I'm pretty sure the Chacruna was good. Or at least hoping so, because like I said, I got it from Maya.. I've been in touch with them through e-mail and they just seem like such great people. I told a gentleman there how much I enjoyed the HBWR seeds I ordered recently, and he offered to send me a few more grams of a new batch for free if I'd write a report for them! So I really like the people over there at maya.
Unfortunately, Chacruna can be expensive, and most of the recipes I've read only called for 50 grams, so that was all I ordered. So, at least for the time being, I'll be switching back to Mimosa for my next brews.
i use to feel that way too. now not so much:wink: . i did order some chaliponga from maya about 2 weeks ago. should be seeing that any day now.digital_phreedom said:
i will be in Peru and South America for 4-6 months in 2011 so ill try fresh chacruna then. it just seems so up and down even if its active you have to use at least one dose as a "test drive" to see where the potency is at. unless of coarse you feel like rolling the dice and see if you come up heaven or hell. :lol: not for me, ive had bad trips and i try to avoid them at all costs.
my point being its not always easy to set aside a whole day and night to prepare my setting and self, drink, and journey. i try to make the most out of each ceremony and part of that includes accurate dosing. ive lay there on my back for hours of nothing more than a couple times. then have to wait another week and hopefully am able to make the time to try again.
do this for a month and well see if you still want to keep it traditional...:lol: j/k (i respect your choices)
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I understand what you're saying... I would probably stick with 'traditional' options if I could afford it right now.. But after spending 24+ hours preparing for my last brew, only to get zero effects from the Chacruna, I found myself wishing I had at least brewed some Mimosa as well, "just in case". So, for the time being, I'm going to be sticking with Caapi/Mimosa teas. I will still make all I can out of the ritual itself. I spend a lot of time meditating and praying before partaking of the sacrament, so even though it's not all 'traditional', I'm sure I can still have very healing and spiritual experiences like that.
And dude, that's awesome you're heading to South America! I must say I'm a wee bit jealous, but already I'm waiting for you to get back so I can hear about your experiences! Haha.
I understand what you're saying... I would probably stick with 'traditional' options if I could afford it right now.. But after spending 24+ hours preparing for my last brew, only to get zero effects from the Chacruna, I found myself wishing I had at least brewed some Mimosa as well, "just in case". So, for the time being, I'm going to be sticking with Caapi/Mimosa teas. I will still make all I can out of the ritual itself. I spend a lot of time meditating and praying before partaking of the sacrament, so even though it's not all 'traditional', I'm sure I can still have very healing and spiritual experiences like that.
And dude, that's awesome you're heading to South America! I must say I'm a wee bit jealous, but already I'm waiting for you to get back so I can hear about your experiences! Haha.
thanks digi, im pretty stoked too. ive dreamt of this trip my whole life. ill be traveling for 1 year total but id like to get over to Thailand and that area as well so ill split up the adventure.
you know ik glad you brought up the traditional thing because ive been thinking about that a lot lately. i even did some reading on the history of ayahuasca.
what i found was that its pretty un clear as to even how long these cultures have been using aya. the earliest reports are from the mid 19th century. although pottery and textiles depict the taking of hallucinogenic drinks as far back as 1500-2000 b.c. the only physical evidence of that time found on pipes, snuff boxes, bowls, ext. showed traces of other psychoactive plants like coca and tobacco. never caapi or other known dmt containing plants.
so besides the observations of some white guys in the late 17 and 18 hundreds we really dont know what they used or how long its been in use prior to their observations and documenting words. it seems that the popular notion that mimosa wasnt ever used by these cultures is an educated guess at best. it could just be that this knowledge was lost at some point in recent history so no known cultures are currently using mimosa and thats what everyone is basing their doubts on. this makes sense but doesnt make historical fact.
ive just always thought it wasnt logical that this awesome incredibly psychoactive plant that grows in the heart of south America just remained unknown to its indigenous people. come on! that just seems so far fetched. these people are Jedi masters of their environment! if they didnt use this plant it had to be for some other reason other than lack of knowledge about it. otherwise it seem much more likely to me that they probably did use mimosa as well as the other accepted traditional addy's.
so in my heart i feel i am taking just as traditional of a brew as anyone can say for sure. my intentions speak louder than known history anyways. i wont let things like not being in Peru or using an unknown historical plant get in the way of healing and connection. if mother aya would show herself on caapi and fig newtons id say traditional smishional gimme a cookie jack!
just some thoughts for u brudda... i gotta get more of a social life.:lol:
you know ik glad you brought up the traditional thing because ive been thinking about that a lot lately. i even did some reading on the history of ayahuasca.
what i found was that its pretty un clear as to even how long these cultures have been using aya. the earliest reports are from the mid 19th century. although pottery and textiles depict the taking of hallucinogenic drinks as far back as 1500-2000 b.c. the only physical evidence of that time found on pipes, snuff boxes, bowls, ext. showed traces of other psychoactive plants like coca and tobacco. never caapi or other known dmt containing plants.
so besides the observations of some white guys in the late 17 and 18 hundreds we really dont know what they used or how long its been in use prior to their observations and documenting words. it seems that the popular notion that mimosa wasnt ever used by these cultures is an educated guess at best. it could just be that this knowledge was lost at some point in recent history so no known cultures are currently using mimosa and thats what everyone is basing their doubts on. this makes sense but doesnt make historical fact.
ive just always thought it wasnt logical that this awesome incredibly psychoactive plant that grows in the heart of south America just remained unknown to its indigenous people. come on! that just seems so far fetched. these people are Jedi masters of their environment! if they didnt use this plant it had to be for some other reason other than lack of knowledge about it. otherwise it seem much more likely to me that they probably did use mimosa as well as the other accepted traditional addy's.
so in my heart i feel i am taking just as traditional of a brew as anyone can say for sure. my intentions speak louder than known history anyways. i wont let things like not being in Peru or using an unknown historical plant get in the way of healing and connection. if mother aya would show herself on caapi and fig newtons id say traditional smishional gimme a cookie jack!
just some thoughts for u brudda... i gotta get more of a social life.:lol:
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