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glad you likedJust wondering - what's your approximate bodyweight? For the science
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83kg/183lbunisonruss1285
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I'm really interested in this. I have Harmala extract on the way, and I have learned how to extract DMT. I never thought people had an issue making this work. I was planning on making capsules and taking them orally.
It'll be best if you learn how to make that one yourself as well. I'm yet to hear a first hand report of third-party extracts doing anything much. That's not to say that any given extract will be bunk, but there's more of a risk of it when compared to extracting from rue (i.e. Syrian rue, Peganum harmala) or caapi at home.
This should be fine, but you'll likely get better results by taking the harmalas first, or by packing the DMT capsule inside a larger capsule of harmalas.
It may also be of benefit to familiarise oneself with the effects of plain harmalas beforehand. [I still remember the first time I had a proper dose of rue tea. That was something of a notable step on my journey, now that I look back on it.]
Dissolve in an acidic drink, like orange or lemon juice, taste is ok and it hits more reliably. Try the harmalas on their own first time or with low dose dmt if you haven't tried harmalas before. I would recommend cleaning up your harmalas first just to be more safe and have more accurate dosage, if you've extracted dmt, working with harmalas is easy and you got all the material required.
unisonruss1285
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I really appreciate this. Thank you!
All the material and more, in all likelihood. Harmala extraction only requires water as a solvent (without listing some more obscure exceptions) and you'll also get the joy of precipitating freebase, as well as, maybe, the hydrochloride salt, from water
Greetings wonderful people!!
Just wanted to add my 5 cents to the thread.
First of all, I'm not encouraging anyone to take DMT in any forms, so be careful
I'll start with this great thread here:
Second, I want to thank Pitubo and Downwardsfromzero for giving a solid advice that DMT and Harmalas should be co-administered (In one of my older posts). I believe them jungle people brewing Psychotria and Caapi together for a reason.
Caution, an idiot typing, don't repeat:
Starting with vegan diet and fasting prior Pharma is important. Basically, everything jungle people say.. no alcohol, no coffee, no salt, no sugar, no sex etc.. Show discipline and gratitude.
On the day of administration no food at all, only a small fruit like plum or small apple for lunch.
I'm using Syrian rue for MAOI, boiling 4g of seeds with juice of half+ lemon, for about 40-50 minutes, while checking for managible liquid amount. Lets say I have 100 ml of rue tea in the end after boiling.
At this point I'll be dividing the liquid in two doses, 75ml(3/4)and 25ml(1/4), and let it cool down.
My DMT dosage is 200mg of freebase. I also dividing the amount in two, 150mg of DMT are going into 75ml of liquid, and 50mg of DMT are going into 25ml of liquid. Stirring both mixtures (cups) for around 20 minutes until freebase dissolves completely.
On the evening, first cup of 75ml Rue tea with 150mg DMT goes down. Chewing some Ginger might help with mixture taste and nausea. After twenty minutes goes second cup of 25ml Rue tea with 50mg DMT.
Make yourself a cozy place to lay and wait
Having a bucket and bottle of water nearby is a good idea.
The next day is very important also. Try to have light meals, such as fruits and veggies and avoid heavy stuff. Drink a lot of water, to help your body clean itself. Try to get a good rest and meditate or pray. No media, no loud and heavy music, no loud companies.
DMT is very serious molecule, it needs respect.
I guess that's it, nothing special here.
God bless you wonderful people
Be happy and take care of yourselves
Just wanted to add my 5 cents to the thread.
First of all, I'm not encouraging anyone to take DMT in any forms, so be careful
I'll start with this great thread here:
Second, I want to thank Pitubo and Downwardsfromzero for giving a solid advice that DMT and Harmalas should be co-administered (In one of my older posts). I believe them jungle people brewing Psychotria and Caapi together for a reason.
Caution, an idiot typing, don't repeat:
Starting with vegan diet and fasting prior Pharma is important. Basically, everything jungle people say.. no alcohol, no coffee, no salt, no sugar, no sex etc.. Show discipline and gratitude.
On the day of administration no food at all, only a small fruit like plum or small apple for lunch.
I'm using Syrian rue for MAOI, boiling 4g of seeds with juice of half+ lemon, for about 40-50 minutes, while checking for managible liquid amount. Lets say I have 100 ml of rue tea in the end after boiling.
At this point I'll be dividing the liquid in two doses, 75ml(3/4)and 25ml(1/4), and let it cool down.
My DMT dosage is 200mg of freebase. I also dividing the amount in two, 150mg of DMT are going into 75ml of liquid, and 50mg of DMT are going into 25ml of liquid. Stirring both mixtures (cups) for around 20 minutes until freebase dissolves completely.
On the evening, first cup of 75ml Rue tea with 150mg DMT goes down. Chewing some Ginger might help with mixture taste and nausea. After twenty minutes goes second cup of 25ml Rue tea with 50mg DMT.
Make yourself a cozy place to lay and wait
Having a bucket and bottle of water nearby is a good idea.
The next day is very important also. Try to have light meals, such as fruits and veggies and avoid heavy stuff. Drink a lot of water, to help your body clean itself. Try to get a good rest and meditate or pray. No media, no loud and heavy music, no loud companies.
DMT is very serious molecule, it needs respect.
I guess that's it, nothing special here.
God bless you wonderful people
Be happy and take care of yourselves
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Unfortuneatly SWIM missed twice in a row recently.
First SWIM tried this way: 200mg syrian rue extract, then waited 1hour then 50mg of DMT -> no effect at all
Then after 2,5 hours of nothing happening SWIM tried again (same day): this time SWIM went with 270mg in cola and after 12minutes 50mg DMT --> no effect at all
before this SWIM had only a lunch 4 hours earlier
SWIM is quite baffled & disappointed and looking for advice on what to try next
some fellow traveler tried the same rue extract some other time and had some "high" feelings even with just the rue. for SWIM it does nothing...
First SWIM tried this way: 200mg syrian rue extract, then waited 1hour then 50mg of DMT -> no effect at all
Then after 2,5 hours of nothing happening SWIM tried again (same day): this time SWIM went with 270mg in cola and after 12minutes 50mg DMT --> no effect at all
before this SWIM had only a lunch 4 hours earlier
SWIM is quite baffled & disappointed and looking for advice on what to try next
some fellow traveler tried the same rue extract some other time and had some "high" feelings even with just the rue. for SWIM it does nothing...
What is this rue extract exactly? Is it purified alkaloids?
Have you extracted the dmt yourself and does it work when vaporized/smoked?
the rue is "a 10x extract" from a webshop and the dmt is from unknown origin and has worked in smoked form. the weird thing is the rue has worked for someone. otherwise i would put it on the rue for sure.
Yup that's your problem. These 10x extracts are notoriously unreliable. If this extract comes from real rue seeds then it should work smoked as rue seeds work when straight up smoked. Orally, a much higher dose is needed and there's no good way of knowing how much you're taking with these extracts. In any case you'd need to take about 200mg freebase harmalas for proper MAOI effects, so your 200 mg dose of that extract was probably too low.
There's really no good way of knowing how much of that extract to take, you'd need to experiment and increase your dose bit by bit to reach a good dose. If you've got a good amount of that extract it is simple to extract it and get pure harmalas. If you can get seeds it's all the better.
I agree the problem is likely the extract, or else you would have at least felt noticeable harmala effects.
Anything else will be more reliable than an extract like that: your own extract, a tea, the raw seeds, synthetic harmine/harmaline...
Anything else will be more reliable than an extract like that: your own extract, a tea, the raw seeds, synthetic harmine/harmaline...
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Sabnock1990
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Yes, i can also confirm/attest that is the 10x Rue extract that is the source of the problem. I'm always seeing people mentioning they have a 10x, 20x, 30x etc Harmala/Rue extract and things don't work well or at all for them and so i have to keep pointing this issue out to people and recommending them go again with some proper Harmala/Rue extract and then it'll work.
I could be wrong, but from my understanding those "x extracts" are probably alcoholic extracts, meaning they soak the seeds in alcohol and then evaporate the alcohol down to either a paste or they evaporate it onto some dried seed, but the kind i've had in the past seemed like it was an alcoholic extract evaporated down to a paste. And iirc Harmalas are not that soluble in alcohol, and so those extracts tend to be either low/weak in Harmala content or may not even have Harmala content, some of the alcohol-soluble background compounds may get absorbed and may be present but the Harmine and Harmaline may not be.
If you're going to use Rue/Harmala extract, you want either the freebased extract, or the hcl extract, you can even make your own pretty easily. Never use those "x extracts", i've never seen anyone who's gotten a good result using them.
If you take some proper extract an hour before taking the DMT, it should very well work.
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