I have a question

[changalvia]

The people who discovered DMT for the first time for example. WHOEVER they were-

Did they also see high tech alien and futuristic machines etc?
Or did their visions have a more natural quality to them?

It's probably unanswerable but it would be cool to know if there is a difference to what we see today compared to the past and if our life experiences have anything to do with what we receive.

Amped to see what anyone has to say/share

 

[sidefx]

I don't think the actual Root and beginning of DMT is really known outside of lore and story.

But i have been told a story, in which they stated that from the beginning they founders of this molecule/Ayahuasca KNEW it was a a type of technology of infinity, and held it as especial as we do our latest technologies.

 

[anrchy]

I think it's likely. Aren't there cultures out there that use ayahuasca that are isolated from most of the world and knowledge of technological advancements? Could introduce vaporized DMT to them and find out what they experience.

 

[Jarl Von Hoother]

More than likely they were the aliens and/or scifi machines!

but, I 'm sure the indigenous shipobo tribes First saw something less artificially imposing, considering well Ayuhuasca is gentle and especially all the more differently they live in nature. 'Civilized' people's feel like we live 'on' nature so our senses here could have adapted the unnatural environments objectifying in some rather naturally longing way. just as renniasannce architects could parallel the nude Greek Bacchic cults of Diana and composing the first iambic meters in poetry among nature.

such unnatural environments are now being considered unhealthy for the mind. Swede psychiatrists have run tests on all their subjects, mentally ill or neurotic in someway their mood, attention and intelligence improved in sweden's coniferous forests. Doctors are even recommending to adults as growing numbers of children stay inside playing video grames all day Vitamin N ...n for nature

so machines, maybe not us all. but I've never broken through yet so I 'm not speaking for myself.

 

[Jarl Von Hoother]

Yes

 

[3rdI]

Did they also see high tech alien and futuristic machines etc?

i have never seen alien tech or what i would describe as futuristic machines.

i dont live in the jungle.

 

[changalvia]

hmmm well what I have realised is that since I have read of McKennas experiences some time ago a lot of people talk about seeing the same things or meeting similar entity's etc.

For example that thread about the jesters and if other people have seen them. I have never seen a jester, but I have met aliens and come across insane mechanical THINGS, which, quite frankly, I dont know if I would have - had I grown up in between the trees

 

[samurai87]

A similar question has crossed my mind. I have smoked dmt at least 30 + times since first trying it about 7 or so years ago. I had heard of the 'alien' experiences and read many accounts on the internet but had never experienced anything of the sort until my last trip about 2 months ago. To me, these 'beings' are as real as anything i deem to be real in any moment. So i wondered - if theyre so 'real' and 'present' behind the curtain of a trip then what knowledge would the amazonian shamans for example have of them? The accounts i know of from the amazonians usually talk of rainbow serpents and 'jungle spirits' - things i have never encountered myself. So how do all these different trips and experiences tie in together? ...

Some may make the claim that what i saw and experienced was self-concieved by my own brain. But i can tell you now what i experienced went far beyond anything my imagination has ever touched on. So where does the information for the experience come from if it goes beyong anything my mind has ever created? ... And why did it take me 30 + trips until i experienced this? Theres so much we havent yet mentally grasped. And the only way to find the answers is continue to dig and surface questions and debate and 'refine' our ideas until we have something that incorporates all that 'is'. Whatever 'it' 'is'...

 

[smokerx]

Interesting topic. I was thinking about this alien high advanced technologies machines in dmt trip also. If a people from past ever saw these in their visions I do not think they would call them machines cos they would not know that word and meaning of it anyway. I believe they saw them like some of us can see them while being in the wonderland.

I my self believe that these experiences are not just made up by us (our brain), but that is just my opinion. I also think that these advanced technologies had to be earned to be able to bring them back to this plane. I do not know anyone who come across with them and could come here and draw them on the paper in details.

There is a man I remember that existed who had these visions of a machines and could see them clearly without even need to draw the on the paper. He was constructing all his machines just from the picture in his memory as he said he could see the picture of the machine in details. So there are people that are allowed to bring them back. The name of the great man is Nikola Tesla. If you read about him you will see strait from the beginning that this man was special.

Tesla obtained around 300 patents worldwide for his inventions. Some of Tesla's patents are not accounted for, and various sources have discovered some that have laid hidden in patent archives. There are a minimum of 278 patents issued to Tesla in 26 countries that have been accounted for. Many of Tesla's patents were in the United States, Britain, and Canada, but many other patents were approved in countries around the globe. Many inventions developed by Tesla were not put into patent protection.

And who knows how many of them we are not even allowed to know about ...