I need to take a break.

[Jarl Von Hoother]

so ...acute long term effects of DMT make people sincerely feel isolated. WeirdO'clock, on everybody's ( nobody's) radar... Left to stagger like a stranger in a closed in community in lonesome night amid in the immensity of the world. Sometimes floating like a brain in a vat full of people who swim around like unconcerned fish. Where angles or etherworldly beings blow kisses from afar staring off mid-conversation. While keeping tags of stranger's self-conscious feelings that immerse saliently between pauses where creative reconstructing ideas that flood waiting before the too late assembly room so to jostle out of mouths immediately and ignite like a firework which runaway to see if your inflection spilt all over the canvas or was articulated like Michael Angelo.

 

[cellux]

To me, the distinction between "everyday life" and "the shamanic path", the idea that there is a dull world from which we escape into higher dimensions (through the use of psychedelics or any other method) seems to be the most dangerous deception of all.

If it's true that everything is One then this distinction may be the final neurotic fixation, the "boss" of the game which solidifies duality on the most basic level. If someone believes this, then the "good" parts of life will be automatically associated with the heavenly, spiritual realms, the "bad" parts with the material plane, and this is a sure-fire way to separation and alienation.

In my book, being grounded means a total acceptance of life in its fullness, as we experience it. If we could accept that existence is 100% enough as it is (which is a VERY hard thing to do), if we could give up the desire to escape, then we could finally find rest in the present moment and the energy which we previously used to support and solidify our dualistic fantasies would help us live as perfect beings under the guidance of God.

 

[DisEmboDied]

Sounds very Buddhistic/Alan Watts-ish Cellux, I like it.

Also, Tango, I believe too that, at least at some point, we must care what others think, or how they perceive us, in order to know who we are and where our place is. Our own thoughts, and the language which makes them up, are based on people interactions to a large extent. We need something to reference ourselves. It also seems as though one will never get anywhere if he or she is TOO concerned about what others think.

I was mostly doing series of medium doses out of a GVG for about 20-30 minutes, not 5 minute high doses. In the beginning I was doing nothing but high doses out of a homemade bong, but I started to fear for my life at some point and was tired of being traumatized So I became content and comfortable with medium doses. I would still get accidental high doses here and there from my GVG, I always suspect that the doses sometimes build up and you get more than what you thought you were, but I am never disappointed, I am usually glad afterwards.

I just never stopped for long enough to remember that I have a meat body.

 

[sidefx]

I was mostly doing series of medium doses out of a GVG for about 20-30 minutes, not 5 minute high doses. In the beginning I was doing nothing but high doses out of a homemade bong, but I started to fear for my life at some point and was tired of being traumatized So I became content and comfortable with medium doses. I would still get accidental high doses here and there from my GVG, I always suspect that the doses sometimes build up and you get more than what you thought you were, but I am never disappointed, I am usually glad afterwards.

:My mate after first trying DMT 'CHANGA'; because it was legal for many years to buy changa herbal blend from the natural herb shop, he bought 5 grams of Changa' and one day proceeded to smoke small doses all day

He smoked through about 3 grams, one hit then sober up and another hit and then one small dose ~
blasted him out of his mind and space he cant explain it but he said it was BAD and he thought he was dying being punished, lol haha served him right he was in need of a bit of a shake up to.

 

[DisEmboDied]

But I am happy!

 

[cirquefreak333]

To be a shaman requires ALL that you are in totality. This is a supreme commitment and one everyone delving into these infinite mysteries should think about seriously.

I have said in many threads that psychedelic experiences are much like dreaming experiences in that if you treat the experience as real it then slowly becomes real....

There are many things that can result from the action of treating your trips as real...

First of all like I said they do in effect become real.. once they become real you are truly interacting with the spiritual realm. Interacting with the spirit realm can have undesired effects..I have seen these effect first hand...

The trouble relating to other humans is just the begining, I personally have had to mentally drop out of the human race in order to even inter act with it. By considering myself not a part of society it has been easy for me to pretend to be a part like and actor.. so I can get along in everyday life.

The rabbit hole gets deeper, continued interaction with the spirit world eventualy forces you to choose sides...evil or good, dark or light etc....

Obviously most people will choose the light over the darkness....well then this action creates further complications in the life of a spiritual explorer...This is because "satan" runs this world lock stock and barrel and has the power to TRY and make your life miserable for standing against him.......

let me say, you know you are living the life of a shaman when you have seen a loved one become possesed horror movie style... and when it gets that deep there is NO turning back to "three dimensional reality" ever.

-But personally it's worth it...at least I think it is, of course I commited myself long ago to this path for me there is no returning to "normal". I am grateful for this for I would rather be not comfortable, wide awake and crazy as a loon then comfortable, asleep, unaware and sane.

-E

I so desire to go embark on this path. I have never smoked dmt I wish to of course but I have had a few spiritual experiences, real or not. I would love to interact with the spirit realm though a friend advised me not to. Part of me is so scared, another part so excited, another part is sure that it is my Destiny to be a Shamon, etc. But I also want to be happy and safe. Alas, I will go on my journey and try to use dmt as a shamanic tool in the future.

 

[cirquefreak333]

Sometimes I don't even know how I'm supposed to move my body in public, because I keep forgetting that I have one, and am not just a mind floating around...it gets that bad...which contributes to me feeling like a weirdo.

Nothing wrong with being a weirdo. Be weird! And live!

 

[cirquefreak333]

To me, the distinction between "everyday life" and "the shamanic path", the idea that there is a dull world from which we escape into higher dimensions (through the use of psychedelics or any other method) seems to be the most dangerous deception of all.

If it's true that everything is One then this distinction may be the final neurotic fixation, the "boss" of the game which solidifies duality on the most basic level. If someone believes this, then the "good" parts of life will be automatically associated with the heavenly, spiritual realms, the "bad" parts with the material plane, and this is a sure-fire way to separation and alienation.

In my book, being grounded means a total acceptance of life in its fullness, as we experience it. If we could accept that existence is 100% enough as it is (which is a VERY hard thing to do), if we could give up the desire to escape, then we could finally find rest in the present moment and the energy which we previously used to support and solidify our dualistic fantasies would help us live as perfect beings under the guidance of God.

So true! I read in a book about Shamanism that you can't be in it all the time, you have to equally respect both worlds and treat both as just as real and important. If you spend all your time in the spirit realm its just like you're already dead, but I'd love to go into the spirit realm and use the spirit realm to help myself and others. Sounds scary though.

 

[endlessness]

I think DMT has a self-regulating anti-excessive use mechanism. You have received the clear indication it's time to stop, and you should. Most people that try DMT are initially obsessed by it, and have the so-called "honeymoon period", of more regular usage and constant thinking/researching/talking about it. But then comes the time to turn that down, and dedicate to other important things in life that need attention. You can always return if you feel the call again.

Be sure to take a look at the health and safety integration part, if you haven't yet!

These days I use DMT much more rarely. If there's one way to use DMT that allows itself for more regular use, IMO, is ayahuasca, but only if you keep making the effort to improve in daily life and put the lessons in practice, maintaining a healthy and balanced life, otherwise that too will kick you away.