Sure. That's why we came up for a term for it. It was something experienced by enough people that a vocabulary was developed to express the experience of "sweetness."
One love
-
Members of the previous forum can retrieve their temporary password here, (login and check your PM).
Implication of language on perception of reality?
- Thread starter Traged
- Start date
One love
Great example! I've encountered all too many people who don't know the difference between bitter and sour. This falls under the qualia problem.
I wonder if there's something going on a sensorial level like what occurs with colorblindness that can affect this.
One love
Possibly, or they may simply have become confused by the beverage product known as "bitter lemon" [soda]. This also makes me think of muscular isolations (sort of), in that the 'taste conflation' could have occured at a central level. Learning how to isolate specific muscular control involves the mapping of cognitive effort onto motor neurones and subsequent interpretation of the proprioceptive feedback. OK, that's not quite the same as interpreting a gustatory (+ olfactory) input and mapping it to a linguistic correlate, but there surely is an intrinsic latent neuromuscular correlate of the linguistic concept on account of the inextricable relationship between words and the physical act of speech (I'll leave out reading and writing for the sake of simplicity).
rkba
Established member
CommonConduit
🎨 ‘Yab Yum’ by Burgandy Viscosi
The hook present without a tag!
Aaaah yes, a universe of hooks. Sounds like a great song. Maybe a little overbearing!
rkba
Established member
A hook is just a phenomena, a tag just a perception. We travel in a vehicle made out of perceptions on a journey through consciousness, ever expanding into the Void.
I don't know if I want something expanding in me 
I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself.
One love
I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself.
One love
CommonConduit
🎨 ‘Yab Yum’ by Burgandy Viscosi
I was assuming hooks were the sensations (perceptions), and the tags are how we choose to describe them?
Would the idea that we're traveling in a vehicle be a perception? I guess a perception of a perception, or from the other end, an atomic perception? And would conscious be considered a phenomena? A phenomena that can phenomenologically reflect on its phenomenal aspect?
One love
CommonConduit
🎨 ‘Yab Yum’ by Burgandy Viscosi
Metaphors upon metaphors, ever reflecting, carried across.
Indeed a metaphor. I'm trying to understand @rkba metaphysical system using analogies and metaphors of hooks and tags. I'm seeing what happens when we introduce some self reference.
One love
s0nicflash
Esteemed member
Friends, are we basically speaking about the difference in between 'subjective' (sensory) and 'objective' (expressable) experience, maybe...? Or in other words: Are we debating the question, whether our left hemisphere is affecting the right?
CommonConduit
🎨 ‘Yab Yum’ by Burgandy Viscosi
Not really, I think.
More about language being constitutive in defining the human experience.
s0nicflash
Esteemed member
Okay, maybe I wasn't clear enough:
Language= objects and their relation (logic) - also called 'relative' aspect of reality
Human experience= subjective stream of sensations e.g. 'absolute' aspect of reality
This isn't quite what objective and subjective are.
Subjectivity involves our own phenomenology, objectivity, which we never really obtain is what is the case outside out perception of it. Ie what is what without what we think about it.
Langue is far more than that.
Human experience is far more than that.
One love
CommonConduit
🎨 ‘Yab Yum’ by Burgandy Viscosi
As @Voidmatrix said, a bit shallow as definitions?
Language is also embodied, performed, for one thing. Exceeds what you call (inert?) ‘objects and their relation’, or at least it animates it.
Human experience isn’t just subjective. Intersubjective too, I’d think.
I don’t know what you mean by ‘reality’.
rkba
Established member
Yeah, I'm losing track of my own ramblings. LOL.
Time for another fire
, however not all fire-sessions are inspiring. Maybe not the right wood/woodfungi (
) or maybe not the right vibrational state of being.Yes, perceptions can be represented by hooks and by tagging them we create our reality. That resonates really well with me.
The way it feels for me is that our consciousness is a trip/voyage/journey and we experience the trip by 'looking out'. Out are phenomena that we perceive with our perceptions and in order to create something out of a phenomenon we 'tag' this perception. After a perception is tagged it becomes included into the reality of our Being.
It's all still very fluid and it seems to pop up in my mind in periodical waves. Sometimes things click, other times they don't. It's kind of erratic, seemingly like the fluttering of a butterfly. But, I have been shown by the butterflies that the flight of a butterfly is everything but erratic. So I have come to accept the seemingly erratic tagging of perceptions within my Being.
Me too.
I do like the reflections that are bouncing back from the forum! In a way it forces me to organize my own chaotic ramblings.
But one can surely have a human experience without any language. It will be a drastically different cultural dimension, for sure.
---
Deep down it feels to me that our organizing tendencies are blocking our path to find our true selves. And sometimes I think that the animals around us are actually more in tune with themselves than we are.
However, maybe being out of tune allows us to be conscious and allows us to program our own tune and create whatever we would like to create. Whatever voyage we would like. And for that we may need language, because the trip is formed over many human lifecycles and builds upon itself.
I also think that we have a 'language' inside ourselves that is currently underutilized. It's not a spoken language, but a felt language. A language created by our heart. We just need to learn to 'listen' to it, become fluent with it. Who knows what perceptual doors can be opened once one becomes fluent in both languages.
I'm rambling again, its cold outside and this fire feels and smells good!
