Introduction- Scary Spice

[BlameItOnBallance]

Hello, I have been lurking here for about a month, as this seems to be the most informative DMT page on the net. I'm new to the spice and I decided to finally register here

I had my first experience smoking freebase last week (50-60mg roughly), and am waiting for the opportune moment to venture out again. Truthfully it left me feeling more intimidated than I had previously been. My first two hits were pretty small, allowing me to take 2-3 after the initial 2, and as a result I wasn't able to blast off into space. Overall it was a mildly unpleasant trip, with LSD like visuals slight feeling of nausea, and a feeling of love or need for connectedness to others towards the end. The trip was dark and muddy, with teal, grey, purple, and green colors only.

Sometime within the near future I would like try to breakthrough again, but I'm a little scared honestly. I guess it's completely normal to feel nervous before ingesting something which will alter your consciousness, but I'm a tad afraid this nervousness will control the mood of my next trip even if I try to let go. Also I find the smoke very difficult to deal with, I felt as though I could smell/taste it throughout my whole first trip and that also may have added to the unpleasant atmosphere.

Any tips or criticisms are welcome. I'm glad to finally be a part of this forum.

 

[cyb]

Any tips or criticisms are welcome..

25mg will serve you better...you dove in with a very hefty dose...

Welcome in.

 

[DoingKermit]

Welcome to the Nexus!

It is completely normal to feel scared. Smoking spice is an absolute mind-blowing experience and even smelling the stuff makes my heart beat faster. 50-60mg is way too much if vaporised correctly, so my advice would be to start lower. If you were to break through on 60mg, that might just put you off spice all together. Everyone is different though (obviously).

What are you using to smoke/vape with? A good smoking apparatus is quite important.

I find smoking changa helps me with the preflight jitters. I'll take a few smaller bong hits to sort of meditate on and then load a bigger one to then blast off with. Also, changa IMO is just easier to handle than straight freebase. Don't get me wrong, it's still absolutely terrifying at times, but focusing on my breathing and just smiling helps a lot with the anxiety. You can make different blends to help mask the taste of the actual DMT. As long as you don't burn your DMT, the taste shouldn't be too harsh.

I find preparing yourself before smoking is important. Get into a nice comfy spot. I like lying on my couch or bed with a few pillows to lean on, soft light, and having some really light ambient music to help calm my nerves (I love the artist "Carbon Based Life Forms".) Get a nice rhythm going with your breathing and when you feel like your heart rate has slowed down a bit, go for it

Hope that helps...

 

[ZenSpice]

It is completely normal to feel scared. Smoking spice is an absolute mind-blowing experience and even smelling the stuff makes my heart beat faster. 50-60mg is way too much if vaporised correctly, so my advice would be to start lower. If you were to break through on 60mg, that might just put you off spice all together. Everyone is different though (obviously).

I wholeheartedly agree.. Been approx 2 weeks since my last breakthrough and am very eager for next one but an undeniable apprehension serves to make sure it happens when the time is right (I am sooo feeling it today hehe).

I load 50-60mg but there is always enough for a follow-up, estimating about half (25-30mg) gets vaped the first time. I only do this now after getting used to my machine and now having half an idea of how much I have successfully consumed in the first two hits.

I follow the mantra wherein I would be more concerned about the person who shows no apprehension. The few I have shared with often say "fear" but I feel it is shown to be in the least rational and respectful and definitely not without it's merit.

I bid welcome also

 

[BlameItOnBallance]

Thanks guys,

I used an empty water bottle with the bottom cut off and tin foil replaced held the lighter a few inches below and inhaled when the bottle turned milky. I realize this technique is looked down upon, but my friend had assured me it would be fine for short term use and I thought it would have been an OK way just to try it for the first time as I had the materials already lying around.

Putting things into perspective, I'm actually a little surprised my first experience wasn't more unpleasant than it was, being that I dove right in with a high dose expecting to break though and using a shotty smoking technique. I think the spice was generous to me by making me feel more intimidated rather than punishing me. I thought I had gathered a fair amount of research but I guess I glazed over the fact that achieving a breakthrough experience doesn't necessarily have to be the goal especially for people new to it.

Today I sandwiched 25mg in a pipe between parsley and a screen and used a bong. I experienced visuals only when I closed my eyes but this was much more pleasant and insightful than my previous attempt. I was also in my bed and this really helped me to feel more relaxed. I think that for the future I'm going to wait until I purchase a vapor genie to try again/go for a slightly larger dose. Thanks again all, I appreciate the helpful advice.

 

[TOXSIN]

Thanks guys,

I used an empty water bottle with the bottom cut off and tin foil replaced held the lighter a few inches below and inhaled when the bottle turned milky. I realize this technique is looked down upon, but my friend had assured me it would be fine for short term use and I thought it would have been an OK way just to try it for the first time as I had the materials already lying around.

Putting things into perspective, I'm actually a little surprised my first experience wasn't more unpleasant than it was, being that I dove right in with a high dose expecting to break though and using a shotty smoking technique. I think the spice was generous to me by making me feel more intimidated rather than punishing me. I thought I had gathered a fair amount of research but I guess I glazed over the fact that achieving a breakthrough experience doesn't necessarily have to be the goal especially for people new to it.

Today I sandwiched 25mg in a pipe between parsley and a screen and used a bong. I experienced visuals only when I closed my eyes but this was much more pleasant and insightful than my previous attempt. I was also in my bed and this really helped me to feel more relaxed. I think that for the future I'm going to wait until I purchase a vapor genie to try again/go for a slightly larger dose. Thanks again all, I appreciate the helpful advice.

Even as an experienced spicer I still sometimes like small doses over time sometimes I just sprinkle 5-15MG on a bowl and every time I don't taste more DMT I add more smoking the bowl over the course of like 20-30mins... Just to get that additional tryptamine feel to my weed high sometimes its unpleasant but I'd rather have an under-stimulating unpleasant trip than a really pleasant one.

 

[○]

Thanks guys,

I used an empty water bottle with the bottom cut off and tin foil replaced held the lighter a few inches below and inhaled when the bottle turned milky. I realize this technique is looked down upon, but my friend had assured me it would be fine for short term use and I thought it would have been an OK way just to try it for the first time as I had the materials already lying around.

Putting things into perspective, I'm actually a little surprised my first experience wasn't more unpleasant than it was, being that I dove right in with a high dose expecting to break though and using a shotty smoking technique. I think the spice was generous to me by making me feel more intimidated rather than punishing me. I thought I had gathered a fair amount of research but I guess I glazed over the fact that achieving a breakthrough experience doesn't necessarily have to be the goal especially for people new to it.

Today I sandwiched 25mg in a pipe between parsley and a screen and used a bong. I experienced visuals only when I closed my eyes but this was much more pleasant and insightful than my previous attempt. I was also in my bed and this really helped me to feel more relaxed. I think that for the future I'm going to wait until I purchase a vapor genie to try again/go for a slightly larger dose. Thanks again all, I appreciate the helpful advice.

That's probably your problem right there. Plastic bottle with tinfoil bottom doesnt work too well imo. The tinfoil is still heating up, which can/will burn the spice. No wonder your experience was not-so-good.

Look into buying a Glass Vapor Genie if you have $100 to spare. The GVG uses hot air, that by drawing in with your breath, passes over the crystals, vaporizing them extremely efficiently.

If that's too much money, then look into making enhanced leaf. Check this out : Nexian DMT Handbook.
Go to section 13.1. It gives your a very simple step by step procedure for making enhanced leaf. Enhanced leafs basically freebase DMT that is infused within a plant matter of your choice. Using a high proof alcohol, you throw your DMT into the alcohol, stir and let dissolve, throw in your herb of choice, put under fan/on a hot plate, and let your dish of dmt/herb/alcohol evaporate, infusing the dmt freebase into the herbs.

That's just a smal rundown I gave, but the handbook will explain it a little more thoroughly. The benefits of enhanced leaf are the fact of just being able to load a standard herb pipe with a suitable amount of enhanced leaf, light it and go! It's nearly impossible to NOT go far with. The leaf protects the DMT from being burnt. I would seriosuly look into one of the 2 options I listed, because I gurantyee with one of those 2 options, YOU WILL HAVE NO ISSUES going deep within hyperspace. Any more questions, just ask.

Much love,
tat

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

Kind of relieved to see that this thread has nothing to do with any of the Spice Girls showing up in Hyperspace.

:d

 

[devol]

My first real experience was a full 60mg dose and it scared the crap out of me. Towards the end, after i stopped panicking it was the best experience of my life, even the scary part.

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

Why are so many newcomers to spice starting out with ridiculous doses in the 50-60mg range? People are coming here talking about loading up 100mg for their first try...

You all seem like reasonably intelligent people. Why on earth would you want to start off with a dose that even we hardy, battle worn psychonauts would not consume generally speaking? It is as if you were saying you wanted to try alcohol for the first time so you sat down and polished off an entire liter of absynth.

Besides, anytime you are bioassaying a new product (even of a substance you have a reasonable amount of familiarity with already) you should always take the tiniest micro dose possible. The old allergy test should be done as a matter of course. Imagine if your spice was not spice after all, but a substance that is active in the 5mg range... I can think of a few doozies.

Needless to say, you would be proverbially f*cked. What is the fricking rush people? Even if you wanted to start with a heroic dose... that would be 30mg. I know you guys have inefficient technique, and it is possible to overload a bowl and then control your dosage by feel... but you have to know how much of a toke makes up a 25mg hit.

If all you got was a hyperspace denial and a bit of fear... you are rather lucky. It is also possible you had an infinity of hell that took place between heartbeats and simply don't remember any of it because you have no ability to process such experiences.

Be careful kiddies. Seriously. Respect.

 

[Doodazzle]

Posh spice was hot too, but Scary had a way cooler personality.

 

[ZenSpice]

I'd like to clarify my own position..

I started with low doses and eventually raised up to the 50mg range (actually back down to 35mg as of today) knowing my technique would allow for a 'follow up hit' that has so far always seemed to be of around equal measure..

As such, 50mg is my 'magic number' but it is something I load ready for two journeys. I only do this now (or recently) after getting used to my machine over the space of a few weeks and having an idea of if I need more or not from the incoming sensations, after those first couple of hits.

So what I am trying to impress is that I am not a newcomer simply sticking a mindless dose, oblivious to all the knowledge and warnings offered on this site. If I am guilty of anything it is of not being clear in my overall original message, along with being lazy in loading up two sessions worth at once. For this lack of clarity I apologise.

I also agree that 50mg is not a good dose to be expecting to take in one sitting and if anything is wasteful and raises chances of amnesia regarding most of the event.

Finally, my technique, while far from perfect, is in my own eyes is hardly inefficient. If anything you could say it is lazy and as such potentially risky, however I feel confident in knowing when I have hit enough to not try and take anymore. I am also accepting of the fact that if I am not mindful then I am prone to receive a cosmic arse kicking.

I have even loaded up 50mg in the past to do a consecutive amount of low-dosing throughout the day (quick blasts of approx 5-10mg each time), not once so far inadvertently taking too much and finding myself any further than I wished.

All the above is meant with respect, simply to clarify and counter any thoughts that I maybe throwing caution to the wind and ignoring the wisdom found here at the nexus.

By all means if I am wrong in my perception of this, chew me out over it.

 

[ZenSpice]

Also I think it is worth bearing in mind that many people who get into this will have heard the fabled "always go back for the third hit" comments made by McKenna way back when..

I doubt some people are seeking to be heroic, more than they are seeking to ensure they get to 'the place' those like McKenna describe so succinctly while impressing that people need to take that extra hit even when they feel so far gone that it cant be possible to do more....

I don't fit this mold myself but a couple of friends I have do and it made me pause for a moments thought.. I'd be surprised if anyone here wants to treat DMT like some drinking game or badge of "MOARNESS"..

Again all respect due and no offense intended.

 

[devol]

I had allot of previous experience with psychedelics in the past, lsd, psilocybin, mescaline and in allot of cases I've consumed multiple substances at once so I considered myself far from novice in respect to psychedelics. After researching the effects of spice I felt like I was ready. The scary part was minimal in comparison to the duration of the trip and I don't think that a smaller dosage would have made the part of my trip that was alarming any less so. For me it was accepting the other reality that spice brings you to that was shocking and somewhat difficult to do. I do wish I had found this forum while I was doing my research before blasting off for the first time. I can definitely see the information here on the nexus being very helpful in deciding how to enter hyperspace for the first time. In hindsight I would still take the big dose, it was life changing.

 

[joedirt]

Why are so many newcomers to spice starting out with ridiculous doses in the 50-60mg range? People are coming here talking about loading up 100mg for their first try...

You all seem like reasonably intelligent people. Why on earth would you want to start off with a dose that even we hardy, battle worn psychonauts would not consume generally speaking? It is as if you were saying you wanted to try alcohol for the first time so you sat down and polished off an entire liter of absynth.

Besides, anytime you are bioassaying a new product (even of a substance you have a reasonable amount of familiarity with already) you should always take the tiniest micro dose possible. The old allergy test should be done as a matter of course. Imagine if your spice was not spice after all, but a substance that is active in the 5mg range... I can think of a few doozies.

Needless to say, you would be proverbially f*cked. What is the fricking rush people? Even if you wanted to start with a heroic dose... that would be 30mg. I know you guys have inefficient technique, and it is possible to overload a bowl and then control your dosage by feel... but you have to know how much of a toke makes up a 25mg hit.

If all you got was a hyperspace denial and a bit of fear... you are rather lucky. It is also possible you had an infinity of hell that took place between heartbeats and simply don't remember any of it because you have no ability to process such experiences.

Be careful kiddies. Seriously. Respect.

^This.