Is the Changa effect really that different?

[joedirt]

IMHO. Change kicks plain freebase ass.

Without a doubt the best batch I've yet had was 4:1 cappi DMT.
That was 1G caapi alkaloids and 250mgs freebase.

This is what I'd call a harmala strong dose. When you hit it, it actually takes about 30-60 seconds for the effects to gradually build. I have also become quite nauseated (presumably from the harmalas) with it.

This thread is actually making me want to do CHANGA. I'm long overdo for an ego bender.

 

[CatchThirtyThr33]

Im looking forward to it! My scale needs to get here so I can get going on making 10x Caapi!

Besides the slow crescendoing effects, what makes you like it so much more over f.b. joedirt?

 

[keleblin]

The most intense experience I've ever had was ~40mg DMT and ~80mg Harmine freebase. It was the trip that would not end. It just went on and on my friend.

 

[ZenSpice]

Ok, so I am quickly getting the idea from this thread that I should skip on the Pau D'arco idea and maybe grab 100g bag of Caapi out of the freezer to work with..

Question is, A/B extraction for the Caapi? or could I just grind down some of the vine into a more suitably smokeable size before using my recently delivered 99% IPA?

Am thinking for my first time with changa to try about 1g of vine to .333 of spice, as an initial tester batch, thinking 3:1 for a more harmala heavy journey (like the sound of what Universe says). I Guess this would suit for around 4 journeys (if my idea on dosing is right)

Anyways, any recommendations would be gratefully received

 

[anonhippie]

Your MAOI effect should largely be coming from harmalas that you have extracted and then enhanced leaf with, or else you wil have to smoke a lot of vine to get the effect.

I highly suggest mint as a large proportion of your leaf salad, it really makes the smoke smooth and fresh. Your lungs will thank you.

The next time I make changa I think I'll make two enhanced leaf blends -- one with harmalas and one with dmt. That way I can play around with the ratio. My last batch was too harmala heavy and there isn't much I can do about it but smoke it as quickly as possible so the dmt arrives all in one go. (I'd tell you the ratio but I don't know, I can't wait till my mg scale arrives!)

 

[3rdI]

Morning anonhippie,

You could just add some more DMT to your harmala heavy changa to even it out a bit.

 

[CatchThirtyThr33]

My last batch was too harmala heavy and there isn't much I can do about it but smoke it as quickly as possible so the dmt arrives all in one go. (I'd tell you the ratio but I don't know, I can't wait till my mg scale arrives!)

How can you tell when there's too much Harmala?

 

[Entheogenerator]

I also have a question about changa. It's a little off topic, but I figure this thread is active and there seem to be some experienced minds posting in it. First off, does one need to follow the same dietary restrictions before changa use as are recommended for ayahuasca? I have read a fair amount of concern about foods that have a negative interaction with MAOI's. When utilizing changa, one is typically using a much lower dose of harmala alkaloids than one would be with ayahuasca. Does this lessen the risk of food interaction? Does the ROA (smoking vs. oral ingestion) have an influence on interactions? I am currently taking medication that has potential for dangerous interactions when combined with MAOI's, so it will be quite a while before I ingest any harmala alkaloids whether vaporized or swallowed. But, I am eager to further my experimentation with changa/ayahuasca/harmalas once I finish the treatment.

 

[ZenSpice]

Cheers Anon, appreciate the response... I got plenty of mint in my garden which is gooooooood..

Think I will put off using the vine until I can get time and materials for an extraction and maybe do a small amount of Pau D'arco (with mint hehe)..

 

[CatchThirtyThr33]

I also have a question about changa. It's a little off topic, but I figure this thread is active and there seem to be some experienced minds posting in it. First off, does one need to follow the same dietary restrictions before changa use as are recommended for ayahuasca? I have read a fair amount of concern about foods that have a negative interaction with MAOI's. When utilizing changa, one is typically using a much lower dose of harmala alkaloids than one would be with ayahuasca. Does this lessen the risk of food interaction? Does the ROA (smoking vs. oral ingestion) have an influence on interactions? I am currently taking medication that has potential for dangerous interactions when combined with MAOI's, so it will be quite a while before I ingest any harmala alkaloids whether vaporized or swallowed. But, I am eager to further my experimentation with changa/ayahuasca/harmalas once I finish the treatment.

Food interactions aren't nearly as much of a concern, though it would be wise to wait till you're off medication before taking MAOIs (smoked or otherwise), as they pose a potential for reaction.

 

[CatchThirtyThr33]

Just a quick update -
My scale came in a few days ago, and I got right to work. I made 1g of 10x caapi (48hr in 99% iso), and then a small batch (200mg) of 1:1 Changa.

I tested out 60mg about an hour ago and all I can say is WOW :shock:. Unbelievable. Simply unbelievable. So easy to smoke, so easy to hold in. Only needed 2 medium sized hits and I was gone, didn't even completely finish the bowl. Such a humbling, beautiful, terrifying, powerful, amazing experience. Much too difficult to put into words as it was very rapidly evolving. Psychedelic scenes flashing and transforming to the next, one after another, each more insane than the last, each with different beings and entities.

Simply put, Changa is amazing and I'm now going to use the rest of my spice to infuse with 10x caapi. Just as others before me have said: "Why didn't I do this sooner?!"

This is the 60mg that I dosed.

C33

 

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Just a quick update -
My scale came in a few days ago, and I got right to work. I made 1g of 10x caapi (48hr in 99% iso), and then a small batch (200mg) of 1:1 Changa.

I tested out 60mg about an hour ago and all I can say is WOW :shock:. Unbelievable. Simply unbelievable. So easy to smoke, so easy to hold in. Only needed 2 medium sized hits and I was gone, didn't even completely finish the bowl. Such a humbling, beautiful, terrifying, powerful, amazing experience. Much too difficult to put into words as it was very rapidly evolving. Psychedelic scenes flashing and transforming to the next, one after another, each more insane than the last, each with different beings and entities.

Simply put, Changa is amazing and I'm now going to use the rest of my spice to infuse with 10x caapi. Just as others before me have said: "Why didn't I do this sooner?!"

This is the 60mg that I dosed.

C33

YESSSS :twisted: