Is this right? DMT extraction with pics

[TheUntamedSky]

So, SWIN did their first try to extracting DMT. SWIM just want to know if I this looks right to you guys. This is what SWIM did so far.

1. First, 1500 ml of distilled water was added to a 2000ml Erlenmeyer Flask.
2. Next, 150 grams of NaOH was slowly added to the distilled water of that flask.
3. The solution was mixed until completely dissolved.
4. 100 grams of Hawaiian Acacia powdered root bark was added to the flask.
5. A rubber stopper was added, and the flask was tilted back and forth for 5 minutes.
5. Waited 2 hours.
6. Added 300 ml of clean Naphtha VM&P to flask.
7. Stopper added again, and the flask was tilted back and forth for 5 minutes.

After a couple hours to settle, it looked like this:




The top layer of slightly yellow Naphtha VM&P was decanted into a wide mouth mason jar, as SWIM didn't have a better vessel for this part in the actual chemistry equipment. It was evaporated with a fan down to a low level, than a second decant was added. It was evaporated down to half a jar. A freeze precipitation was done with the jar sealed and upside down in a lab grade explosion proof freezer for 12 hours at -30C.

When SWIM took it out and opened the jar, this is what SWIM saw:



After being dried in a filtered air evaporator to keep out dust and other contaminants, SWIM took one of the bumps off the wall. It was pure white, and powder like. After a minute, the bump melted on SWIM's glove. Presumably by SWIM's body temperature. SWIM just wanted to verify with you guys, is this the correct product? SWIM doesn't want to end up dying by inhaling something else.

Sorry about the small pics, trying to figure out how to make them bigger on here.

 

[3rdI]

I cant say whether what you have is good or not but if you have followed the tek it should be ok, not sure it should melt on your hand though.

the thing that looks dodgy from your pics is the rubber seal on the jar lid that looks soaked in solvent and bits of DMT. I wouldn't have turned the jar upside down, it means that the solvent was probably in contact with the rubber or the whole freeze precip process and don't think that is very good.

 

[TheUntamedSky]

Yeah, there was worry about that. On the other hand, would you suggest a smaller Erlenmeyer Flask with a rubber stopper, as the rubber stoppers are made to be more chemical resistant? Maybe placing it upside down in the freezer, than using a micro-spatula to get the powder/crystals out? A 250 ml flask may be good for this.

Turning it upside down was for the purpose of making it easier to get crystals off the bottom when doing the freeze precip.

 

[3rdI]

I wouldn't use any rubber at all, i dont think rubber and solvents play well together. I would look for a jar or bottle to extract in that had no rubber.

For freeze precip I would use a baking tray.

I would also throw away that batch, I would be worried about contamination from the rubber. However I'm no chemist so I could be wrong.

 

[TheUntamedSky]

Well, the naptha really isn't a very strong solvent if I remember correctly. I've had a rubber stopper sitting in a container of Naptha for a week now, and it doesn't seem to have done anything to it at all.

The problem with extracting in a bottle, is that its so hard to get the crystals out.

What container would you use?

 

[3rdI]

Just because you can't see it doesn't mean its not happening. But if you feel comfortable with it then crack on.

I have a jar with no rubber seal on the lid, but other people on here also recommed wine bottles.

You don't need to remove crystals from a jar just the solvent which is easy with a glass syringe/baster. Then transfer to a baking tray for the freeze precip.

 

[changalvia]

tip:

If your freeze vessel is too deep to retrieve xtals

1. simply decant nap after freezer then allow to dry

2. throw in enough acetone to dissolve all the spice at the bottom (NOT much at all)

3. decant acetone and allow to evap (super fast)

4. Repeat maybe once more (acetone evaps so fast it will leave a residue of spice in the vessel from decanting alone)

Then just do a re-x with minimal solvent to grow xtals again if youre after aesthetics

 

[TheUntamedSky]

Do you think it would be wiser to use cork stoppers for this process? I was worried about how cork can more easily break, leaving trash in the mix.

Do you think Hexane would be better than Acetone? The reason I say that, is because Acetone tends to destroy product. Thats why I don't do acetone washes.

 

[3rdI]

Acetone destroys DMT?

 

[The Traveler]

Acetone destroys DMT?

Not that we know of.

I use Acetone in my DMT cleanup and conversion teks. Maybe he is mistaking the removed impurities for 'loss of product'?


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[TheUntamedSky]

Apparently. My professor told me not to use the acetone. He said that some people pour cold acetone over the DMT crystals on filter paper in attempt to purify it, but that they shouldn't, as it destroys some of the DMT in the process. He told me that I should stick with the N-Hexane, as it separates the oils and fats from the product instead, and leaves the DMT unharmed.

Also, ya know that yellow goo that you get after using the N-Hexane? The stuff at the bottom. He told me that DMT oxidizes, turning yellow. He gave me the process needed to turn it back into freebase.

 

[3rdI]

Professor as in college/uni?

I have never noticed any loss of product using acetone for changa.

Seems odd.

 

[Infundibulum]

Apparently. My professor told me not to use the acetone. He said that some people pour cold acetone over the DMT crystals on filter paper in attempt to purify it, but that they shouldn't, as it destroys some of the DMT in the process. He told me that I should stick with the N-Hexane, as it separates the oils and fats from the product instead, and leaves the DMT unharmed.

Also, ya know that yellow goo that you get after using the N-Hexane? The stuff at the bottom. He told me that DMT oxidizes, turning yellow. He gave me the process needed to turn it back into freebase.

I call BS, based on the experience of hundreds of people who use acetone at some point in their extractions with no apparent detrimental effects.

But just to keep the ball rolling, what did he actually mean by "destroying"? Reaction to form an unwanted product? Surely he mustn't have meant that when dmt comes in contact with acetone then dmt dematerializes from this universe, right? The term destroyign somethign is not exactly very scientific and grossly misleading.

 

[TheUntamedSky]

As you guys can see, I am quite new to DMT.

Perhaps you are right about Acetone not destroying the DMT. I may have misunderstood him. He isn't always clear on what he means. This is at a University, though to warn you, I tend to refer to it as a college anyways.

He said that he has only done this process a few times, than he decided that his days of DMT were over. He warned me that it is a life changing experience. On his first time, he used Acetone. He says that he ended up yielding 72% after the wash. He never mentioned any kind of reaction with the Acetone.

I admit, I am new to all of this. I just recently started my first year in this field, so there is a lot I don't know yet. Bare with me, I am willing to learn anything you guys have to teach me.