Joe Rogan's at it again...

[benzyme]

rogan's not a bad speaker, for a comedian. his fans claim he's really intelligent, but then again, many of his fans aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. not his fault

i won't attack his character, he's not a bad guy.
what I will say (and have said) is that he has a bunch of douchebag followers who will likely bring bad attention to the spirit molecule through their asinine proclivities. that's not elitism, that's being wary.

 

[bufoman]

DMT has been found in the brains of rats (Christian et al. 1977) as well as in human CSF blood and urine (Corbett et al. 1978; Smythies et al. 1979). It was also found to meet the necessary criteria to be classified as a neurotransmitter (required metabolic enzymes, vesicle transporters, storage, release, post synaptic actions, and catabolic/uptake inactivation.

There are several theories regarding DMT and other endogenous hallucinogens roles in neurophysiology. DMT appears more likely to act as a neurotransmitter than a hormone. For an interesting theory see Wallach's Endogenous Hallucinogens as Ligands of the Trace Amine Receptor: A possible role in sensory perception. http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?A=ShowDocPartFrame&ID=7404&DocPartID=6553 . Based on observations of the actions of drugs like cannabinoids and opioids (resulting from actions at their endogenous counterparts) this theory makes a great deal of sense. Although it is still speculation as a great deal of work remains to be done.

 

[ThirdEyeVision]

rogan's not a bad speaker, for a comedian. his fans claim he's really intelligent, but then again, many of his fans aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. not his fault

i won't attack his character, he's not a bad guy.
what I will say (and have said) is that he has a bunch of douchebag followers who will likely bring bad attention to the spirit molecule through their asinine proclivities. that's not elitism, that's being wary.

the thing about it is these "not so sharp" fans of his won't be able to get DMT anyways. You can't go up to the local drug dealer to get it. For the most part it is held within the basement shaman community. Not sold but shared by someone who does respect it and then can spread the love of the plants.

 

[ohayoco]

No one listens to scientists they prefer people who are sensationalists.

People listen to people who try successfully to capture their attention. If scientists want laymen to listen to them, then they have to moderate their presentation techniques to suit their audience. You can't use technical jargon to a lay audience, nor bore them to tears, if you want them to listen. You need to use plain English, have a bit of emotional intelligence, and a bit of charisma.

But what respectable scientist is going to start telling people about DMT anyway? Wouldn't that ostracise them from the scientific community?


Cheer up people, this thread sounds like a bunch of grandads moaning about nothing! I agree with 69Ron about the elitist attitude being unhelpful. I understand why you guys feel this way, but you should channel that energy into encouraging people positively to do things the more responsible way, rather than lazily sinking into elitism. I'm not innocent myself, I often can't be bothered with still-hoodwinked normal people.

 

[obliguhl]

I definitely hear some hints of elitism in your words. You don't like his style. That's fine. No one likes everyone.

Agreed its ignorant to say his words are unimportant just because you dont like his method of speaking.

I said, that you can't compare McKenna and Rogan. They both speak different. McKenna is more more sophisticated in terms of complexity of thought and speech. But they also belong to a totally different culture. I prefer the culture associated with McKenna, but I'm well aware, that I'm a minority. The minority I represent is also repressed by the culture Rogan stands for. So it's not really this strange that I don't enjoy rogans talk. I know that I'm stereotyping, and it is more difficult than that. I also know that he's got the right to experience whatever material he wants. The same goes for his followers. The problem I see is, that his followers could be the type of people who have a very different way of dealing with psychs. A way I deem to be dangerous. Not only to the people taking them, but also to the community as a whole.

I'm not for psychedelic elitism. I'm not houxley. But I'm also not Leary. I'm a person who stands for reason and responsibility. What does that mean? It means: "Think before you do some shit".

And 69ron isn't rogan, that's hillarious.

 

[ohayoco]

McKenna would not be a good ambassador between straights and heads! He would scare them far more than Rogan ever could, because he is the epitome of how straight parents worry their children would turn out if they smoked a spliff in the schoolyard.

Your spokesman needs to appear like a straight, but be a nicer person. Then enough straights will listen.

 

[memo]

"Joe Rogan's at it again". Well, this is just news about the dvd release of his comedy special from last June. Joe Rogan hasn't made any new comments that I am aware of. If you watched what he did say when talking about dmt he emphasized that it was not something to be taken lightly or to be unprepared for and how it could wreak havoc on you if you if you weren't prepared and even if you were. About the neurotransmitter possibility of dmt. There is a video on the web where Terrence McKenna's brother talks about the possibility of dmt substituting for a normally used transmitter and argues that the "reality" of that perception of reality may be no less valid than the perception that we have with our normally used neurotransmitter. I really like this idea because of the way my own perception seems to be enhanced if anything from this substance. People may be no less likely to have delusions as to their interpretation of this perception than they have with the interpretation of their normal perception but I believe the perception of reality with dmt is probably no less valid than the normal one.

 

[obliguhl]

If you watched what he did say when talking about dmt he emphasized that it was not something to be taken lightly or to be unprepared for and how it could wreak havoc on you if you if you weren't prepared

Alright, I'll listen to it again. Maybe I was too quick to judge.

 

[OnthePath]

your right i wasn't clear. what i meant is that strassman's idea that dmt is produced by the pineal gland is probably wrong and his idea that its involved in dreaming is also probably wrong. we discussed this a long time ago i think benzyme brought it up.

so yes the pineal dream theory is fading away but not for the reason i said originally my mistake.

word. that's much more clear. thanks burnt

reguardless I have had many endogenous experiences, always around 3am that would support his theory of some sort of visionary tryptamines being released..i know other people here have reported suddenly waking up into this same ayahuasca-like state as well..its not as profound as taking an exogenous tryptamine though..if i switch on the lights and get up it all ends..

That doesnt mean its DMT though..5meo seems more likey, and pinoline...prob others..

Also these aren't dreams..dreams arent like that for me..I am awake for it..

I get this all of the time now. Awake at 3am and not the greatest sleep after that. Fine after 6am though - too bad I get up for work at 6am nowadays.

Honestly since I started using tryps again this has increased. I don't use them often either. It is a similar experience but different.

 

[VisualDistortion]

I definitely hear some hints of elitism in your words. You don't like his style. That's fine. No one likes everyone.

Agreed its ignorant to say his words are unimportant just because you dont like his method of speaking.

I said, that you can't compare McKenna and Rogan. They both speak different. McKenna is more more sophisticated in terms of complexity of thought and speech. But they also belong to a totally different culture. I prefer the culture associated with McKenna, but I'm well aware, that I'm a minority. The minority I represent is also repressed by the culture Rogan stands for. So it's not really this strange that I don't enjoy rogans talk. I know that I'm stereotyping, and it is more difficult than that. I also know that he's got the right to experience whatever material he wants. The same goes for his followers. The problem I see is, that his followers could be the type of people who have a very different way of dealing with psychs. A way I deem to be dangerous. Not only to the people taking them, but also to the community as a whole.

I'm not for psychedelic elitism. I'm not houxley. But I'm also not Leary. I'm a person who stands for reason and responsibility. What does that mean? It means: "Think before you do some shit".

And 69ron isn't rogan, that's hillarious.

Maybe Rogan is aware of the culture he stands for and how narrow he it is, and wants to make them aware of the tools they can use to open up their minds. Or maybe this or maybe that. It really doesn't matter, you think Rogan and is douche and all his followers are. That's not a bad thing, everyone stereotypes at one point or another.

Point is that this Rogan thread is EXACTLY the same as the other Rogan thread. Running is the same circles.

 

[OnthePath]

Rogan is a funny charismatic guy who'd be a blast to hang around with. I don't get the complaining. The fact that he has respect for dmt shows me he's got more under the hood than meets the eye. If you listen to his interviews with Alex Jones you'll see he has much respect for the spice.

Perhaps he is guilty of spreading hypothesis as truth but plenty of people do that all the time on numerous topics.

 

[۩]

I feel bad. All I wanted to do was point out the flaws in his presentation because I am a seeker of truth. I just hate to see misinformation spread...sorry for rehashing the same 'ol bullshit.

 

[benzyme]

No one listens to scientists they prefer people who are sensationalists.

People listen to people who try successfully to capture their attention. If scientists want laymen to listen to them, then they have to moderate their presentation techniques to suit their audience. You can't use technical jargon to a lay audience, nor bore them to tears, if you want them to listen. You need to use plain English, have a bit of emotional intelligence, and a bit of charisma.

But what respectable scientist is going to start telling people about DMT anyway? Wouldn't that ostracise them from the scientific community?

perhaps

then again, I don't know any scientific types that take rogan seriously.
anyone with an ounce of common sense can decipher between hypothesis and commonly accepted fact. rogan didn't make the distinction when he did those interviews. would you take someone like steve-o seriously if he tried to explain the correlation behind Olney lesions and NMDA antagonism?

McKenna was a more effective speaker on DMT than rogan, no question; and he didn't need to sound like a frat boy to get his point across.

 

[VisualDistortion]

No one listens to scientists they prefer people who are sensationalists.

People listen to people who try successfully to capture their attention. If scientists want laymen to listen to them, then they have to moderate their presentation techniques to suit their audience. You can't use technical jargon to a lay audience, nor bore them to tears, if you want them to listen. You need to use plain English, have a bit of emotional intelligence, and a bit of charisma.

But what respectable scientist is going to start telling people about DMT anyway? Wouldn't that ostracise them from the scientific community?

perhaps

then again, I don't know any scientific types that take rogan seriously.
anyone with an ounce of common sense can decipher between hypothesis and commonly accepted fact. rogan didn't make the distinction when he did those interviews. would you take someone like steve-o seriously if he tried to explain the correlation behind Olney lesions and NMDA antagonism?

McKenna was a more effective speaker on DMT than rogan, no question; and he didn't need to sound like a frat boy to get his point across.

I'm bet ya that scientific types wouldn't have taken Leary seriously either if he wasn't a PhD. Rogan can be accused of ignorance, but Idon't think he can be accused of bad intention when it comes to DMT. At least he has enthusiasm, tries not to lie, and is willing to stick his neck out there. Leary lied all the time, he said whatever it took to maybe get a few more people to try LSD. That is why I have a lack of respect for Leary. At least I can look at Rogan and think that he honestly believes in what he is saying.

 

[benzyme]

Ph.D in psychology isn't really saying much, not exactly a science. leary developed several hypotheses that weren't even testable.

rogan may believe what he's saying, but that doesn't make it correct. i've tried to explain to the roganites, the biochemistry behind intracellular reactions (i.e. metabolism), and why it's not feasible for DMT production to occur in the pineal gland , and they flatly told me that i'm an idiot and i'm just jealous because rogan is both highly intelligent and physically fit.

:lol:


you can have enthusiasm about astral projection and claim up and down that it can project you through wormholes. doesn't necessarily make it so

 

[VisualDistortion]

Ph.D in psychology isn't really saying much, not exactly a science. leary developed several hypotheses that weren't even testable.

rogan may believe what he's saying, but that doesn't make it correct. i've tried to explain to the roganites, the biochemistry behind intracellular reactions (i.e. metabolism), and why it's not feasible for DMT production to occur in the pineal gland , and they flatly told me that i'm an idiot and i'm just jealous because rogan is both highly intelligent and physically fit.

:lol:

Looks like you need to hit the gym:lol:

JK. Yea I've encountered the same dogma's. I met one guy who said his friend showed him a picture of a peyote cactus that was about 6 feet tall and six feet around. I said, "It must be millions of years old" and rolled my eyes, he didn't like that because he KNEW it was real. He also thought that peyote buttons grew on the outside of the cactus. I told him a button of peyote was a skinned and dried cactus portion and he took offense to that. He tried to make me feel like a mental midget so I just said, "Whatever dude, I must not know much of anything."

You see, the psyche enthusiast has the same reaction as the Roganite when you challenge something that they think is knowledge. The Roganites problem is not that he is mainstream or hangs out with a certain group of people. The problem with them both is ignorance and unwillingness to open themselve up to different points of view. That is a common thread between alot of people, not just Roganites and Joe Rogan.

 

[benzyme]

the problem (i guess not really a problem, except for the fact that they obviously don't have a mind of their own) is that they blindly accept what he says as fact. rogan is sharp (very astute observer), no doubt, although some of his followers aren't.

but you're right, there are people like that everywhere

 

[kid_eternity]

On the other hand......
I do feel that his verbiage seems to trivialize the experience and it's benefits. I think he, him self may have a healthy respect for the experience(s) he has/had... however due to his nature in the business and his disposition/persona in the media he has to make it sound "fun"/"cool" or something off Fear Factor, which undermines what we are trying to do as a responsible explorer.

He is who he is. There's no doubt about that. He speaks about it the way I'd expect him to speak about it.

You guys expecting him to talk like he's Terence McKenna or someone else like that, just stop. He's not him or anyone else. He's who he is. That's his style. Deal with it.

I’m tired of this psychedelic elitism. As if he’s not good enough to talk about DMT because he doesn’t have a Ph.D in psychology or something. This kind of elitism makes me sick. Any person can appreciate the effects of DMT. You don’t need to be Timothy Leary to appreciate DMT.

The Spice is a gift meant for everyone. I like Rogan's take on it. Honestly, SWIM is only two journey's in and for the life of me I can;t explain it. Hel, I barely remember my second journey except that it was awesome and yet again I was surrounded by love.

I actually dig the way Rogan refers to the "geometric shapes filled with love." Sometimes it takes a layman to get the word out and to make people feel a lil safer about the unknown.

On a sidenote: since the pineal thing is not correct as some have suggested here: can someone encapsulate what the hell dmt is and where it comes from? What's the latest skinny on that?

 

[a1pha]

On a sidenote: since the pineal thing is not correct as some have suggested here: can someone encapsulate what the hell dmt is and where it comes from? What's the latest skinny on that?

I deleted my previous post, since no one seemed to download the files. Since it's being asked again I'll repost. I will again delete in 24 hours given copyright.

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K

 

[kid_eternity]

On a sidenote: since the pineal thing is not correct as some have suggested here: can someone encapsulate what the hell dmt is and where it comes from? What's the latest skinny on that?

I deleted my previous post, since no one seemed to download the files. Since it's being asked again I'll repost. I will again delete in 24 hours given copyright.

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K

Thanks, man.