Keeping DMT off the Street...

[dread]

How can time be wasted?

 

[ibeing897]

no bad drugs? right.. thats just idiotic.. there are more drugs that will kill you than will get you high... I use the word "cuz" and that's that childish???... yet you say there are no bad drugs and I'm in the wrong? you're the high school kid mate... you know nothing.

 

[ibeing897]

How can time be wasted? are you trying to be esoteric? cuz that's just a stupid remark.

 

[Bill Cipher]

Spiking anyone (puritanical or otherwise) would NEVER be a good thing. Personally, I wonder what the world would look like without half-assed campus "gurus" who pretend that dosing all those who enter into their orbit is anything more than an ego boost. I wonder what the Nexus would look like without the recent wave of people who seem to think this is somehow a good idea.

I've read the whole post. From beginning to end. I don't respect your point of view. Let's agree to leave it at that.

 

[Harbinger]

Cuz PhD's just don't usually express themselves like high school dudes, and you most definitely do.

But all you are doing is stereotyping people with PhD's... I know of a few people with PhD's and one of them acts like a complete moron most of the time. So who is to say what a "PhD" person should act like?

To suggest SPIKING unwilling participants for their own good is STUPID, CALLOUS AND CRIMINAL. I can't imagine anyone with an advanced education (or any education for that matter) thinking that this would be an even remotely acceptable thing to do - or even arguing its theoretical merits. It's just a DUMB point of view.

And yet it happens every day in my city drinking water. I don't ask for fluoride in my water, yet it is put there "for my own good" based on its theoretical merits. [/quote]

 

[ibeing897]

Uncle Knucles... I think you're a fool who should shut his boring pointless mouth and stop twisting words around to suit your argument, plus I wrote multiple posts explaining my position from every angle... who said anything about dosing the world??? it was a speculative remark, a postulation, a thought experiment... You dont even have an opinion to respect... and you're using your amazing intuition to assume you know everything about everyone, which is so ignorant it's unbelievable, you dont know me, you know nothing about me, get off your high horse. I'm not gonna reply to another one of your posts, so dont waste your time...

 

[ibeing897]

I've never spiked anyone in my life, I dont remember even saying I did.

 

[ibeing897]

But this place has a recent history of bullshit posts from bad intentioned, make-believe knuckleheads - and frankly, I'm kinda hoping you're one of them.

You kinda hope I'm a make-believe knucklehead?, you got issues man.

 

[pmm]

@lbeing789

Well, you voiced your opinions, which most people here apparently don't share. I know a good many scientists who actually have no ethical compass whatsoever, so I won't preclude that you are one.

I talked down a girl who was spiked with Acid in the early nineties - by a person who got more than just a mouthful from me and my friends afterwards, so don't expect any sympathy for your ideas from me there either. And LSD is child's play in comparison to spice.

 

[ibeing897]

pmm... geez man, r you just reading the attacks or my actual posts?... I NEVER SPIKED ANYONE... I even said originally that of course I would never do such a thing..... why am I getting shit for something I never even did or said?

 

[Infundibulum]

Geez guys, stop it.

The issue was resolved on post #57 in page 3. Why do you keep it on?

Whatever lbeing789 said it didn't reserved thes attacks and continuation of the whole subject.

I am ashamed of the nexus.

And thread is getting locked for 2 days.

lbeing789, my apologies for everyone else but be careful in the future. You needn't be attacked by the others and you shouldn't have attacked back either.

 

[pmm]

A actually I'm not even sure of that, for those people sometimes I think it would be good to spike them or something because I think personally think they're wasting their lives... especially the religious puritan folks, obviously SWIM would never do such a thing, but SWIM wonders what the world would be like if they took good drugs instead of bad ones...

Well, to me that sounds like you advocate the idea - of course with the caveat that you would never do such a thing. And I read the whole thread.

 

[burnt]

I think you have made some good points Ibeing. I also think you don't need to apologize to anyone for your opinions or ideas none of them are unreasonable. But yes some people here have gotten a bit paranoid as the website was attacked recently by some nutty folks (of which I do not think you are).

 

[endlessness]

jeeeesus, you guys are at it quite good heh?

lbeing, you say you are being attacked, but you are reacting in a way to people's posts that paves the way for more attacks to come back.. like when you respond to dreads comment about time wasting, or other examples.. if you have an opinion and want to stick to it, fine, we can all have whatever opinion.. but realize that you are also co-responsible for how people are acting, when you call their opinions stupid or try to somehow diminish them (even if they are wrong.. then you be the one with clean conscience, dont do the same).


and to all of you guys.. please... re-read your posts and think if this is how you guys think conversations should develop, and if anything positive is coming out of it. Express yourselves, but be conscious about it and not just reactive and 'taking out' on others, even if you think that the opinion and attitude is wrong.

 

[Shadowlord]

SWIM finds it impossible to believe something with such radically different effects could become addictive, in fact, the drug itself seems to illicit sum kind of irrational fear (super respect) that doesn't make sense considering the stuff is so amazing and SWIM has never had a negative effect, SWIM cant do it more than once every 3 months, even if SWIM really wants to, it's strange really.

Thank You very much for posting that. For all that I love tripping on the various substances that most of us here revere, I have had the same response to the Spice.
I have not had any negative/unenjoyable experiences w/ DMT to date and yet I always have to relax and take a few deep breaths b4 I can't take off. That is if I haven't talked myself out of it somehow. I have tried to face the fear and go anyways. The first time I was rewarded for doing so. The next time I couldn't distinguish between whether I just wasn't in the mood or if it was just the fear again. I took one toke and realized that I just didn't want the trip that day and stopped and it wore off quickly.
I know it is meant to be when I take an initial hit and I know there isn't enough there take off and I want that second or third toke. But even on these times that I do want it there is still those pre-flight jitters.
Now that I have had a little more experience though I think it is time for some infused herb. The next time that I am ready to go again.

 

[Infundibulum]

Thread unlocked

 

[smokeydaze]

Thread unlocked

 

[Enki_Win_666]

I've noticed an increasing trend of new members coming in using street terms like "dime-bag", "tenth", "deem" or "deemster" among others used in the sale of street drugs (I'm not attacking those members, just pointing out the trend). To me this is indicative of a growing trend of the sale of our beloved molecule as a profit making street drug. At risk of sounding hypocritical and arrogant I will openly admit that the first time SWIM did DMT, he obtained it through a group purchase between friends, from a friend of a friend. But once he learned how humble and sacred this molecule is, he made a commitment to the spice and himself to only extract it for himself or to share with close friends. SWIM didn't purchase the spice on a whim either, it's something he learned about when he was a very young psychonaught and had spent most of his life awaiting a chance encounter. That story is a long one however, and he would gladly share it in a separate post...

I suppose this is the natural life cycle of any drug, but I sure wish there was something we could do to stop, or at least temper this trend. Our (The Nexus') open policy of sharing extraction teks is a double edged sword. It definitely helps reduce the potential of the street sale of DMT because it allows people to learn how to do their own extractions for personal use. At the same time it opens the door for greedy dealers to extract for the purpose of street sale.

What to do, what to do? I'm sure Traveler and the mods have discussed this in depth, but what about locking down the extraction teks and wiki to all but trusted members? I don't know. That may not be the best solution either, in fact I'm sure it's not the BEST solution, but perhaps one in a list of many partial solutions.

I'd like to suggest this thread as one to share ideas about the best possible ways for us Nexians to help in the self regulation of our precious guide and teacher. Is there any hope?

Peace
-idt

Hi I am a warlock... Obviously as many know a warlock is well tangled amongst the socio explicit communities an duty to the order... Id just like to say don't worry as it's all under control we the unbound ones... Stressful energetic integration and dissolution process if I must say where as the coagulation is very natural to the subjects ... But yes it can be a very destructive molecule if influenced and not attracted

 

[Transform]

Hi I am a warlock... Obviously as many know a warlock is well tangled amongst the socio explicit communities an duty to the order... Id just like to say don't worry as it's all under control we the unbound ones... Stressful energetic integration and dissolution process if I must say where as the coagulation is very natural to the subjects ...

That's fabulous. However, this particular conversation ended nearly 17 years ago already, so we may perhaps hope the original protagonists have found their peace already

But yes it can be a very destructive molecule if influenced and not attracted

What exactly do you mean by "if influenced and not attracted"?

Surely any type of molecule (or atom, or macroscopic ordering of matter, or orderings - or disorderings - of various forms of energy at various orders of scale) can be destructive if it is (/they are) present in the wrong place at the wrong concentration, under the wrong thermodynamic conditions?