Ketamine

[Hyperspace Fool]

hyperspace fool, you have fine taste in dissociatives.
though far from user-friendly, dextromethorphan has provided some of the most exquisitely mystical & sublime experiences i've known...
it is magickal obsidian elixir, the dark matter of the entheogenic universe...
(and best used sparingly...)

Thanks BLN. Likewise. SWIM might have to procure some 4 ho mipt at some point to see how that goes.

I am considering posting a thread/FAQ about DXM to let people know how to manage its lack of "user-friendliness" most effectively. The new rules here would allow for it, but I am not sure this is the correct forum for a DXM how-to... or to get into the inevitable discussion of MXE either.

I will think on it.

 

[PsilocybeChild]

Sorry if this is a dumb question but would plugging ketamine help it bypass the bladder?

 

[Infinite I]

hyperspace fool, you have fine taste in dissociatives.
though far from user-friendly, dextromethorphan has provided some of the most exquisitely mystical & sublime experiences i've known...
it is magickal obsidian elixir, the dark matter of the entheogenic universe...
(and best used sparingly...)

Thanks BLN. Likewise. SWIM might have to procure some 4 ho mipt at some point to see how that goes.

I am considering posting a thread/FAQ about DXM to let people know how to manage its lack of "user-friendliness" most effectively. The new rules here would allow for it, but I am not sure this is the correct forum for a DXM how-to... or to get into the inevitable discussion of MXE either.

I will think on it.

There's already a very long thread about mxe, rules were reviewed after someone posted a daft post on how fecked up he was blah blah blah but it was allowed to continue as lots of folks were posting very positive experiences, myself included. I hope the new guidelines don't spawn a load of rc threads as after the mxe thread I found a different site where RCs are the main focus of discussion, I do like talking about psychedelics with people here and reading there opinions but sometimes other sites are more suitable, I didn't believe it possible but I found somewhere, though it's a secret! Lol

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

I found a different site where RCs are the main focus of discussion, I do like talking about psychedelics with people here and reading there opinions but sometimes other sites are more suitable, I didn't believe it possible but I found somewhere, though it's a secret! Lol

Tease.

8)

I checked the couple MXE threads that are up here, and found them to be okay... with dashes of great posts & and equally large dashes of utter rubbish.

I think that dissos aught to be discussed entheogenicly. And, if done so, they could have a niche here in this community. Nitrous, K, Dex, MXE and others in this vein can be valuable tools. They also provide something that other psychs can not. Iboga is welcome here, as is Salvia and those are both very dissociative drugs. Furthermore, neither of them is any safer or more well known phenomenologically than the discouraged ones.

The new, more "open" (with disclaimers) policy is cool by me. Very much so. It is rather new, and I don't want to be the one to test it necessarily. I like the Nexus and its focus fine as it is. It wouldn't bother me in the least if none of the discouraged substances were ever mentioned here at all.

I will adopt a wait and see attitude for now, and see how it feels. A harm reduction/ entheogenic effect potentiating thread dealing DXM, MXE & Nitrous could be useful, and help people to avoid the major potential pitfalls of these easily available tools.

 

[Infinite I]

Im also all for a more open attitude to certain things but it should be clear to people, hopefully it is after the new guidlines but some people wont even read guidlines, I mean I dont when I register with a new site and Im sure you seen on the mxe thread a lot of bullshit posts. I also like you wouldnt worry if any of these thigns were never discussed, now that I have this other site :lol: But I and a few other people I know have had amazing experiences combining methoxetamine with tryptamines. The effects of these combinations are quite amazing, definite iboga esque, im sure I could start a thread on that and it would be fine as it wasnt done in a way just to get fucked up. Can I ask sorry to derail but can nitrous be used in a respectful way? Ive heard people here, intelligent people I respect mention it in the past and I just associate it with solvent abuse? but then I dont know anything about it?

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

Can I ask sorry to derail but can nitrous be used in a respectful way? Ive heard people here, intelligent people I respect mention it in the past and I just associate it with solvent abuse? but then I dont know anything about it?

Absolutely. N20 is a fairly benign substance when not overdone. Dentists usually adminster it mixed with oxygen, but recreational users tend to inhale 7-10g of it pure and hold it for as long as possible. It used to be fairly common at festivals for people to sell balloons of the stuff.

Note: I don't condone the selling or abuse of Nitrous Oxide. It has some serious dangers that are associated with it, not the least of which is that you are very likely to fall down and hurt yourself if you do it without being seated or lying down.

It is a short acting disso that can send people into euphoric mini-bubbles that have some of the intensity of a minor spice flash, but even shorter and not hyperspacey. On its own it is a kind of flash, but not very useful for any serious exploration. Combined with nearly any other entheogenic substance, however, and it acts very much like it does in race cars with a nitrous bootser... It turns up the gas BIG TIME.

SWIM thinks that a respectful and beneficial use of N20 is to have some around (it is legal and easy to come by) for use as a quick boost while on other substances. Often, one is relatively happy with the over all level of their trip, but would like to have a short push, or dive quickly very deeply without having to resort to taking a LOT more of whatever and then being too high for a long period of time. Nitrous is ideally suited to doing just that. It can dramatically potentiate anything else you might be experiencing for about 90 seconds, and has a pretty amazing afterglow for as much as 15 minutes more (not when taken alone, though). It can even alter the quality and level of a psychedelic experience in such a way that the rest of the journey is boosted and expanded.

Another worthy usage for nitrous is to push one over a threshold or bump one over a nearby plateau. If one is fairly close to another level, but not quite there yet... often nitrous can be just that feather to tip the bucket.

Nitrous has its own very specific set of patterns and spaces that it evokes. For those who enjoy its buzzy, wah-wah moon shots... it can be orgasmic in a way that nothing else is. Needless to say, being on an entheogen, and then mixing a bit of spice vapor with some N20 is beyond any description.

Final Disclaimer: Despite being legal pretty much worldwide and available in supermarkets and such, it is not generally considered something that one should be inhaling. Often the stuff one can find easily is not medical grade, and even if it is 100% pure, Nitrous Oxide does fool the body into thinking it is Oxygen and as such can cause a loss of O2 to the brain. Unless you are stupid enough to wear a mask and have a constant flow going, you are unlikely to be able to consume enough N20 for a long enough time to do yourself any real damage. You will drop your balloon or charger well before you could get brain damage.

Still, it can cause a blackout type effect that very easily can lead to serious injury, especially if you take it squatting and then attempt to stand up quickly. Things like GABA can protect the brain from oxygen deprivation, but do not push the envelope with this. BE CAREFUL. Research any chemical you ingest, even if it is short acting and legal.

 

[Infinite I]

Thanks for info! Been wondering about it and never used it. I have some small cannisters I got from a friend but never really done anything with them, maybe Ill pursue it. Plain salvia leaf just before the peak of methoxetamine does something similiar to what you describe, ramps it up and changes the tone of things in a good way!

 

[Eluna]

only had a large amount of it once, kept snorting it over and over while watching a movie called "the cat returns". About 3 months ago.. Would say i went through about .4g

Would highly reccomend it.

I came out of that experience a better person, for sure. Forrr surreee

 

[endlessness]

Would highly reccomend it.

I came out of that experience a better person, for sure. Forrr surreee

How so? Would you expand more on that?

 

[Eluna]

Well firstly, the movie itself i watched is a childrens cartoon i guess, it has alot of mature themes in it but it was just easy to relate to things at its basics, ie, childrens shows simpify things.

The characters are likeable, well developed etc and it just takes you on for the ride.

while the ketamine was going strong, almost everything the characters spoke through their mouth i was relating to in regards to my personal life, a strong force behind everything meaning "see.. this is how it can be, this is your opporunity to make everything better" and i found myself going "yes.. yes! im going to do this from now on, fuck it, nows the time." and as soon as i hit sober, i still had that force, that motivation, which usually dies down a bit after you sleep after a psychedelic such as LSD's revelations or what not.

I hope that makes some sense

 

[Mindlusion]

dissociatives =

My experience with ketamine is unfortunately limited, but my experiences with it were great nonetheless, I experimented with many nasal doses ranging from 80-150mg, and then an IM dose with 100mg

99% of the time I take dissociatives I take a high dose or 'hole' because seriously low-doses serve no purpose to me, and then after once i regain some motor control I like to whip out the machine and spice it up a bit.
Ketamine is not one of my favorite dissociatives, mostly because of its short duration, sure the short duration came in handy sometimes, but IMO, when I like to get really lost in a 'hole' I like to be gone for at least a few hours.

I was much more fond of high doses of MXE (rectally ) 'M-hole' was much longer lasting then the k hole and I enjoyed it much more, it was more of a 'carnival'
Also, I found it harder to obtain satisfactory results when smoking DMT with ketamine. TBH, my best experience with DMT + dissociative was with DXM.
This combination of dissociatives + DMT, is truly one of the most powerful, unique, thrilling, awesome experiences ive ever come by. There is no fear associated with DMT when taking a dissociative, and the powerful, body shaking euphoric rush exceeds that of a IV rush. There is no explaining it.

In the past few months I have come across some PCP, I plan to do more work with this extremely powerful and potent dissociative.

:d

 

[SHroomtroll]

lol i just ran into a gram of kellogs by accident here :?

This might become a very interesting night afterall.

I know i said i only do it at festivals but tbh i never ran into it before where i live,

It´s weird how stuff like this work, feels almost like destiny somehow.

 

[Dr Psychonaut]

sorry if this is a dumb question but would plugging ketamine help it bypass the bladder?

This would make no difference as the ketamine is still broken down into norketamine by the liver and excreted by the kidneys into the bladder. Unfortunately no matter how you take it, the end result is going to be the same.

I think that dissos aught to be discussed entheogenicly. And, if done so, they could have a niche here in this community. Nitrous, K, Dex, MXE and others in this vein can be valuable tools. They also provide something that other psychs can not. Iboga is welcome here, as is Salvia and those are both very dissociative drugs. Furthermore, neither of them is any safer or more well known phenomenologically than the discouraged ones.

I fully agree with this and would very much like to see some responsible and intelligent discussion regarding the dissociatives. I am very interested to hear more about your experiences with DXM and MXE hyperspace fool so hope you go on to create that thread I have only just become aware of MXE and wonder how the effects differ from ketamine and structurally they are very similar?

 

[SHroomtroll]

ive already made a thread called dissio comparison thread, we should keep the relevant discussion there and keep this one about kellogs.

 

[Dr Psychonaut]

Where abouts is this thread located Shroomtroll? Just searched for it and no luck, cheers

 

[polytrip]

Can I ask sorry to derail but can nitrous be used in a respectful way? Ive heard people here, intelligent people I respect mention it in the past and I just associate it with solvent abuse? but then I dont know anything about it?

Absolutely. N20 is a fairly benign substance when not overdone. Dentists usually adminster it mixed with oxygen, but recreational users tend to inhale 7-10g of it pure and hold it for as long as possible. It used to be fairly common at festivals for people to sell balloons of the stuff.

Note: I don't condone the selling or abuse of Nitrous Oxide. It has some serious dangers that are associated with it, not the least of which is that you are very likely to fall down and hurt yourself if you do it without being seated or lying down.

It is a short acting disso that can send people into euphoric mini-bubbles that have some of the intensity of a minor spice flash, but even shorter and not hyperspacey. On its own it is a kind of flash, but not very useful for any serious exploration. Combined with nearly any other entheogenic substance, however, and it acts very much like it does in race cars with a nitrous bootser... It turns up the gas BIG TIME.

SWIM thinks that a respectful and beneficial use of N20 is to have some around (it is legal and easy to come by) for use as a quick boost while on other substances. Often, one is relatively happy with the over all level of their trip, but would like to have a short push, or dive quickly very deeply without having to resort to taking a LOT more of whatever and then being too high for a long period of time. Nitrous is ideally suited to doing just that. It can dramatically potentiate anything else you might be experiencing for about 90 seconds, and has a pretty amazing afterglow for as much as 15 minutes more (not when taken alone, though). It can even alter the quality and level of a psychedelic experience in such a way that the rest of the journey is boosted and expanded.

Another worthy usage for nitrous is to push one over a threshold or bump one over a nearby plateau. If one is fairly close to another level, but not quite there yet... often nitrous can be just that feather to tip the bucket.

Nitrous has its own very specific set of patterns and spaces that it evokes. For those who enjoy its buzzy, wah-wah moon shots... it can be orgasmic in a way that nothing else is. Needless to say, being on an entheogen, and then mixing a bit of spice vapor with some N20 is beyond any description.

Final Disclaimer: Despite being legal pretty much worldwide and available in supermarkets and such, it is not generally considered something that one should be inhaling. Often the stuff one can find easily is not medical grade, and even if it is 100% pure, Nitrous Oxide does fool the body into thinking it is Oxygen and as such can cause a loss of O2 to the brain. Unless you are stupid enough to wear a mask and have a constant flow going, you are unlikely to be able to consume enough N20 for a long enough time to do yourself any real damage. You will drop your balloon or charger well before you could get brain damage.

Still, it can cause a blackout type effect that very easily can lead to serious injury, especially if you take it squatting and then attempt to stand up quickly. Things like GABA can protect the brain from oxygen deprivation, but do not push the envelope with this. BE CAREFUL. Research any chemical you ingest, even if it is short acting and legal.

If you decide to use it, use a balloon instead of cannisters. It's safer that way.

 

[SHroomtroll]

dissociatives comparision thread - Other Psychoactives - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

here is my thread

 

[EquaL Observer]

I feel as if it was/is worth trying. It's as though you zoom so far back in your vision of the omniverse that things lose all sense and meaning... it's great to slowly gain yourself back, becoming human again. It is quite a dirty drug though, the next day I don't feel great at all, as if it rubs off on you a lot.

 

[SHroomtroll]

Me and teh gf railed up the gram of ket ive obtained last week yesterday...

All i can say is that my mind is blown and i am speechless.

It took us about 1/3 of the bag before we were in the hole and after that we just kept going untill it was all done lol.


I don´t know how to describe what i experienced sine english is my second language and trip rapports is not something iam generally good at.

The clearest memory i have is that i was sitting on a tram through my thoughts and the music guided me almost scaringly perfect, everything was synchronised to perfection and somewhere in all of this i felt i learned alot.

The visuals were absolutely astounishing and i could not believe what was happening to me, a few of the holes took me to my workplace where i could see the source code of everything i ever made.


I know this explanation seems like random gibberish but that´s how the experince seemed to me, i think i wen´t down to somewhere 5-8holes last night since once i came back i drank some tea and did another rail.


We finished off the night by hitting the last lines we had left and each took a good hit of changa, this turned out to be the most intense and ego dissolving experience of my life, as soon as i took the hit from the pipe i felt everything i ever had get lost in the haze of the drugs.

I sat at some train somewhere living another life i never had before, i was not in this dimension or universe anymore, i had lived another life for many years and i was doing something completely different than i ever done before.

I remember something terrible happen and i didnt know how to fix it, just when i realized how i should do it i felt a sensation that i was falling again, it felt like ive done the same drug combo again but in the high of the drug itself.

A K-hole in the k-hole pulled me down and slowly i started to come back, i could not believe i actually made it back from this far place ive been to.

Oh my god i´m back i said to gf i thought this life was just a dream....



So after this very very shattering night i don´t think i will touch ketamin for a long time again, not that it was bad but because it was so very good to me, i could never beleive it would be this strong or dissiociative, my mxe trips had nothing on this although i havent really holed on it either.


Can´t really relate to people wanting to do this so often since it was very draining both mentally and physicly, but i guess like anything if you make it a habit it could become something you take lightly.


over and out.

 

[thepureskunk]

^^^^^^Nice report Shroomtroll It truly is amazing IMHO where Ketamine can take you. I disagree that it's a 'dirty' drug as i have had trips where the afterglow has nearly lasted a week!

I like how K can take you so far but there is for me at least no fear.

Like someone else said a good read is- Ketamine Dreams and Realities by Karl Jansen.

Explore...but be safe