Kratom as a trip killer

[Jamie01]

It could be it’s adrenergic or serotonergic effects that precipitates the visuals/visions…kratom also contains rhynocphylline which is an NMDA antagonist but it doesn’t contain much. One thing I am interested in is the combination of kratom and cats claw to add in more rhynocophylline. Hopefully this will allow for less kratom and curb some tolerance the way opiate users use ketamine and DXM etc to lower tolerance.

 

[ABe©eDarian]

Kratom is great medicine. Unlike the addictive format of other opioids, this one has way less addictive potential, excluding 7-0h, psuedo or extract..these are STILL great weapons in the face of any higher tolerance addiction to hardcore opiates, yes it is a fine line but the salvation is there if you are actively looking to stick the landing and ride away clean.

I always felt opiates/opioids killed actual dreaming or the ability to remember a dream the night before. I can not add on to the CEV part of the discussion other than yes, I am sure it can bring visuals, especially to those not addicted to any opioids.

For me kratom totally allows me to have memorable dreams. One of the main reasons I use kratom more regularly than cannabis nowadays. Cannabis too frequently interferes with my dream recall.

 

[General Alkazar]

I agree kratom does not decrease the effeçt of any drugs, except opiates. I’ve tripped on many different hallucinogens with no difference from when I used them before kratom was available. However, it is addicting and has a difficult withdrawal if using large amounts. That said, kratom has kept me from reaching for stronger narcotics or alcohol, so it’s worth the trade-off of addiction.

 

[Jamie01]

It makes sense. Opium seems to have definitely played the role of entheogen in the past and was often mixed with other hallucinations.

 

[Thierr7]

It makes sense. Opium seems to have definitely played the role of entheogen in the past and was often mixed with other hallucinations

Yes Opium is defenatly different than other opioids ! Safer and more hallucinogenic ...

 

[plumsmooth]

One can also potentially use high dose Methylfolate (like perhaps 45 to 60mgs) since it increases neurotransmitters by way of Tetrahydrobiopterin synthesis, and the increase in neurotransmitters would reduce Psychedelic binding to the Serotonin receptors which can "bring you out" of an experience if need be. At least i have the impression that'd work.

Would that not be an ideal protective setup to have on hand for all heavy duty Phychedelic ceremonies?

 

[plumsmooth]

Unfortunately I can't test the Kratom technique for obvious reasons. Although I've done plenty of iboga on Kratom and never felt diminished effects from the iboga.

Niacin consistently kills trips of any tryptamine dose for me. Although, I find it's more effective with a lower niacin tolerance (I.e., you still flush when you take it). I haven't tried it with non-tryptamines yet. My friend tried it with iboga and he said it did reduce the effects of the iboga.

My friend says morning glory works, too but I never tried that.

Another cool trick I picked up from the same friend is nebulizing DMSO during a bad trip helps turn the trip into a good trip. It's also nice to do on the comedown of a trip, really good vibes. It also helps me significantly with an MDMA comedown, and protects the brain I imagine. This one's a little more out there so doubt anyone's heard of this.

I thought taking pure DMSO internaly was wild enough sound let alone nebulizing : who in the world came up with that idea?

 

[Crash tested]

Kratom is great medicine. Unlike the addictive format of other opioids, this one has way less addictive potential, excluding 7-0h, psuedo or extract..these are STILL great weapons in the face of any higher tolerance addiction to hardcore opiates, yes it is a fine line but the salvation is there if you are actively looking to stick the landing and ride away clean.

I always felt opiates/opioids killed actual dreaming or the ability to remember a dream the night before. I can not add on to the CEV part of the discussion other than yes, I am sure it can bring visuals, especially to those not addicted to any opioids.

I was in a pretty bad motorcycle accident in August of 2013. I broke 12 bones, collapsed both lungs, ruptured my spleen and tore my diaphragm. I was on life support for 23 days. I was in the hospital a total of 32 days. They put 14 screws in my right femur and another 13 screws in my pelvis on the left side. I have been on many different pain medications and eventually started using H. I used kratom for about 10 days to get off the H and didn't touch it again until 2020. I take a lot of kratom every day to manage pain. Like 15 to 20 grams 4 times a day and it is the best thing I've ever taken for pain management. It works better than every narcotic pain pill I've ever been on. I don't get any kind of euphoria or side effects from it. I think kratom saved my life. I would probably be on Fentanyl right now or dead. I tried the concentrate for a little while and the full spectrum leaf is way better.

 

[Sabnock1990]

Would that not be an ideal protective setup to have on hand for all heavy duty Phychedelic ceremonies?

Possibly, though in hindsight the dosage i listed (45 to 60mgs) is waaaaaay too much, wouldn't recommend more than say 1mg to 7.5mgs to 15mgs, though even that can be strong and ideally 800mcgs to 1mg may get the job done. I was mega mega dosing B vitamins when i said that so probably disregard such heavy dosages lol.