Mathematically, 196,882 dimensions!

[DisEmboDied]

Mathematically, there are a supposed 196,882 dimensions. It's called the "Monster Group". I can't comprehend, impossible to believe, but here are some articles, some are professional journals:


Try: Monster group - Wikipedia and look at "A Computer Construction"

References from "monster group physics":

How the Monster Groups Dictates All of Physics http://www.ptep-online.com/index_files/2011/PP-27-11.PDF

Monster Group and Dimensionless Mass Ratios of Physics Google Sites: Sign-in
/site/nonanthropicconstants/

The Monster Group uses in mathematical physics

I am doing a project on the inverse Galois problem, and am seeking to show that the monster group is realisable over the rationals. I have heard that the monster group has found uses in theoretical

mathoverflow.net

Symmetry and the Monster

Book review: Symmetry and the Monster by Mark Ronan

www.fourmilab.ch

 

[Hiyo Quicksilver]

From 9 to 196882? That quick?

When they said the universe is expanding, they really meant it!

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

From 9 to 196882? That quick?

When they said the universe is expanding, they really meant it!

lol

 

[DisEmboDied]

You're right, haha

different sources, different numbers of course

 

[Michal_R]

"196,882" dimensions?

:lol:

(They are wrong, of course. I think there are at least 211,989 of them suckers)

 

[DisEmboDied]

I have probably gone that far before, usually on accident

 

[Mustelid]

Fractals live in fractional dimensions.

A few, for example live, mathematically speaking in 4/3 D.

The possibility of dimensions not necessarily being a scalar figure is mind-blowing for me.

 

[hixidom]

This mathematical model of reality requires that there be a 4th quark group. I haven't found anything online that suggests that this is a remote possibility. Without the 4th quark group, we have no reason to believe that the rest of this theory is applicable to this reality. He gives the exact energies of these additional quarks, and he's been pushing this idea since 1992. I think we would've found these quarks by now if they did exist.

It's not impossible that they just haven't been discovered, of course. I wish I understood his theory well enough to know why the 4th quark group is necessary for reality to be interpreted as a mathematical model, rather than using the "standard model" of particle theory as is.

 

[DisEmboDied]

Hixi:

The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) has found some strange results that may
be related to this. They have LOTS of data that they still need to
analyze. While the LHC will be down until the end of the year,
they can still work on old data.

Additionally, I have a personal friend at the Univ of Texas working
on the HetDex project. Initial results from Dark Energy/Dark Matter
_will_ trash almost all our cosmological theories. He says the existence
of Dark Energy/Matter seriously strains our understanding of the
Big Bang theory as well as the rest of the cosmos. Remember that we
are only about 5% of the material in the universe! How can we assume
our theories apply to the remaining 95%?

And perhaps an ultimate problem in physics is the energy of the
vacuum. Mathematical model predict one thing and our current experiments
another. Our disagreement if off by 107 orders of magnitude!
See Cosmological constant problem - Wikipedia

List of unsolved problems in physics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Just because a mathematical model predicts something does not mean
it is correct. And just because we can't prove or disprove it now
does not mean it's not true or false. Einstein and many other physicists
predict from their models and it can easily take decades before
an experiment is viable.

There are models that have us as a holographic projection from the
surface of a sphere. Others posit our universe without time -
and all our existing experiences and experiments work consistently.

 

[a1pha]

DisEmbodied:

Can you explain the math behind this? Past a handful of dimensions my mind turns to mush. I'd love to hear a laymens version of this 196,882 dimension universe (and how they arrived at that number!).

Thanks!

PS - Your explanation... not a bunch of links! I hate link-clicking.

 

[nicechrisman]

How in the heck can anyone pretend to know how many dimensions there are? Seems like scientific arrogance to me. Maybe my little brain is just too simple to understand.

 

[hixidom]

I don't think there is a layman's version of this.

 

[Jellyfox]

it's Dark matter moving at the speed of Light

 

[emptymind]

I dont think this has anything to do with actual spacial dimensions in existence.