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Methoxetamine?!

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narmz said:
lbeing789 said:
^ nobody said it was safer.
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lbeing789 said:
we're talking about a completely new thing, it doesn't have the same kind of physical negative effects
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and what on earth are you trying to prove with these quotes?? anybody following this thread properly knows what my position is... you must have some kind of mental scrambler going on. Ooh, he's being so aggressive... when you're wrong you're wrong, feelings don't come into it.

You're the mean person. You're the aggressive one... I didn't say people were doing horrible things, that was your insult to me and it was completely out of line, uncalled for, inappropriate, mean, ridiculous.

Also just out of curiosity, what physical harm was brought to you by MXE usage?? cuz I've got a feeling you just made that up to support your false argument.
 
Negative Effects: Horrible amounts of tension in the neck - complete black-outs and memory loss on fairly low doses (20mg then 2 hours later 20mg more) - inability to speak properly/construct sentences - extreme cases of depression following usage - extremely blurred vision - tremors throughout the whole body

Positive Effects: New and novel thought processes, increase in positive mood during the experience, warm enveloped body sensations similar to opiates, amazing mental gymnastics (lay in bed and create beautiful music without making a sound, created all within the mind, a truly amazing experience), seems to increase awareness and love towards complete strangers

Neutral Effects: Appears to synergize in often unpredictable ways with other compounds (read my previous posts), increases sense of hearing considerably
 
narmz said:
Negative Effects: Horrible amounts of tension in the neck - complete black-outs and memory loss on fairly low doses (20mg then 2 hours later 20mg more) - inability to speak properly/construct sentences - extreme cases of depression following usage - extremely blurred vision - tremors throughout the whole body

Positive Effects: New and novel thought processes, increase in positive mood during the experience, warm enveloped body sensations similar to opiates, amazing mental gymnastics (lay in bed and create beautiful music without making a sound, created all within the mind, a truly amazing experience), seems to increase awareness and love towards complete strangers

Neutral Effects: Appears to synergize in often unpredictable ways with other compounds (read my previous posts), increases sense of hearing considerably
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I hate to be picky about this because I'm not interested in a battle... but my annoyance with your recent posts is based on details, we were talking about real harm caused by the drug, clearly the context was bladder problems a la ketamine, you insisted that there were physical effects known about MXE, but I'm not reading that at all from your description... so do you still have neck tension and tremors? also I will say that your experience doesn't sound a lot like methoxetamine to me... black outs, memory loss, blurred vision and tremors, these are not common side effects, extremely uncommon... interestingly they are known side effects from tiltamine. - are you sure you had MXE?

I have an aggressive style of writing and I like to have serious debates, but that does not make me wrong or mean, and it doesn't prohibit discourse, sometimes there is no need for discourse... the arguments have already been laid out. I hope you appreciate just how serious an accusation you made, you may not see it, but I thought that was a really horrible thing to say, and given my clear stance, the accusation came as a surprise.. under no circumstances would I ever say any drug is safe to use, I never said anything about being safer than ketamine, but that idea would be plausible given the evidence, and the idea that chemist's involvement says nothing about safety is just wrong, design obviously has an impact on the safety profile of a drug. <<< notice I did not say it is safe.

Also your point about scientific literature is wrong. Tests can only reveal so much. Most drug knowledge is based on anecdotal reports.
 
this is all getting a bit out of hand and really the arguement is a waste of time I think. You both have different opinions on the topic and that is ok..you have both made your stance clear enough.. But I feel if this goes back and forth too long it will become one of those threads..lets not let that happen
 
lbeing789 said:
are you sure you had MXE?
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sourced from certified vendor, other users have obtained material from same vendor, am as certain as one can be that it was MXE (short of chemical analysis)
 
fractal enchantment said:
this is all getting a bit out of hand and really the arguement is a waste of time I think. You both have different opinions on the topic and that is ok. But I feel if this goes back and forth too long it will become one of those threads..lets not let that happen
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I don't think we do have different opinions on the topic Fractal, that's why I find it irritating, Narmz has somehow misread my posts and regurgitated my own arguments back into the thread, but also throwing out very serious accusations at the same time. Narmz was out of line with that horrible thing comment, earlier in the thread he did a similar thing when we were talking about Ann Shulgin... I think it's because he feels I'm aggressive and he feels that he needs to counteract the force of my arguments... that being said, I'm prepared to let it go as a misunderstanding and it need not go any further.

If this ends up becoming one of those threads I'm leaving the nexus for good.. I'm trying to be helpful and for me it's never personal, so I don't like personal comments.
 
narmz said:
lbeing789 said:
are you sure you had MXE?
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sourced from certified vendor, other users have obtained material from same vendor, am as certain as one can be that it was MXE (short of chemical analysis)
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It probably was legit... did you have any other experience with dissociatives?, the strongest effects happen with no tolerance, people with no history of use usually have the hardest experiences. That's really why ketamine becomes harmful because the people who cane it need doses that are physically harmful/crystalise in the bladder -- the people that end up in hospital are often doing grams+ a day, it's hard to imagine someone doing that much MXE - the dosage is around 10x lower-- there could be other problems/less problems.

This all being said, there is a difference between the experience of the drug and lasting harm.. if you're not having tremors/neck pain now, then that was part of the experience and not [necessarily] harmful to your body.
 
Like I said...

All substances can have substantially different effects on different individuals. Your bioassays are both legit, though in the experience of those I have taken it with, the only consistent irritating side effect is not being able to sleep after dosing.

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I wrapped in a blanket on my lounge chair, and rolled back and forth to the music, with delightful peaceful thoughts, they had been building over the last few days, built on ideas like we are all gonna die, young and old, some will burn, some heads will roll, some will fall blah blah so it is here.
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It's interesting to me that it caused these kinds of thoughts.

My first realisation with MXE was like an exclamation over my head, reminding me about how immensley humans beings are set up in their relationships with eachother to experience such immense emotional pain. Such darkness made the later revelations all the more bright.

I think the disconnection of the MXE experience takes us from outside of our pseudo-immortal ignorance we have built up around ourselves as we say "tomorrow is another day". The true path to being a better person and in accordance, living a better life is to work on your yesterdays, as each day past is akin to a loved one. A bank of memories in which is contained all that you have learned, are and care for.
 
I did not read lbeing789's posts as being aggressive apart from last few have been very emotion-colored and responses to narmz.
Seems that he has a lot of first and second-hand experience with MXE and related compounds and is passionate about informing this thread/forum with information. Harm-reduction as a top priority due to addictive qualities and there being very little research on it but at the same time knowing that it can be a unique and beneficial tool when used responsibly.

Common on this forum and in human nature the reaction-based posts had some emotional coloring but really whoever reads this thread (and hopefully all of it) should have some useful information to make the choice whether to take it or not and whether to take precautions while doing so or not...
 
I read similarly to q21q21, and hope that we can keep the good information flowing here.

SWIM took 400mg's full-spectrum San Pedro extraction this afternoon, and tried 20mg of MXE on the come-down and hasn't felt anything yet (+1.5h).

Thought that was very interesting, as she typically feels 20mg come on like a freight train within 15m.
 
i would recommend mxe for almost anybody, atleast 1 time anyways.

i always feel so much calmer and happier while on it, and i definitely refrain from getting irritated and frustrated throughout the day like i usually do when i'm sober
 
To keep the discussion well informed, here are some links to experiences other users have had in which side effects are experienced:

Experiences
Female blacks out in shower
Heart racing, friend blacks out
Trip report from the friend who blacked out
Blackouts resulting in inappropriate behavior
Withdrawal symptoms experienced after long term use
Loss of taste after long term sublingual use
Blue-lips - supposed oxygen deprivation after very high dose

Make sure to read these with discretion, many of them are the result of irresponsible and ignorant usage of the chemical, others appear to be more responsibly dosed. I still think it is important to have all the info gathered about these sort of experiences, a common theme seems to be blackouts - I've experienced this first hand, and so have others I've known who have taken it.
 
^ I think these experiences are mostly irresponsible usage (dabbing, doing unmeasured bumps, ridiculously high doses, high doses in public places) and there also seems to be some confusion about effects and side effects. Also some confusion about blackouts and holing which is a known effect of the drug. DMT causes proper blackouts. High doses lead to holing and odd behaviour, known effects - like high doses of ketamine - MXE is around 10x the potency of ketamine. Withdrawal symptoms from heavy long term use are to be expected. Loss of taste after long term sub-lingual use is true for most chemicals. Also no permanent harm seems to have occurred from any of these experiences. These reports go hand in hand with my own trip reports and many others.
 
Like i said i also passed out every time i used it, although it was nothing like fainting or similiar...

More like laying in the couch and blacking out from smoking to much weed.
 
i also havent found any negative side effects...my mind body and soul have been boosted..by what i dont know..but at this moment..my life is going so well...that may also be a reason i have had such great experiences with this stuff..

i have had muuuuch worse word salad from 2C's...mxe produces MILD word salad..but its nothing NEARLY as debilitating as 2c's

word salad = how are you doing tonamnwaaaeff

mxe word salad = how are you doing toDAY

so far..i rate this stuff up there with LSD..this chemical has shown me the most amazing perspectives that i can KEEP...they dont go away when i come down...i can retain them...to each their own....taking this drug is risky..i know..but the positive effects i have experienced have been absolutely amazing for me and my life.(period)
 
I've gotta say, I'll be making an order of MXE later this week when funds are available, and I'm pretty psyched to be trying it. Appreciate everyone's shared experiences and observations here.
 
SHroomtroll said:
Like i said i also passed out every time i used it, although it was nothing like fainting or similiar...

More like laying in the couch and blacking out from smoking to much weed.
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Yeah I think some people are getting confused with their definition of a blackout, falling asleep on the coach is not a blackout, wikipedia:

Blackouts can generally be divided into two categories, "en bloc" blackouts, and "fragmentary" blackouts. En bloc blackouts are classified by the inability to later recall any memories from the intoxicated period, even when prompted. These blackouts are characterized also by the ability to easily recall things that have occurred within the last 2 minutes, yet inability to recall anything prior to this period. As such, a person experiencing an en bloc blackout may not appear to be doing so, as they can carry on conversations or even manage to accomplish difficult feats. It is difficult to determine the end of this type of blackout as sleep typically occurs before they end.[6] Fragmentary blackouts are characterized by the ability to recall certain events from an intoxicated period, yet be unaware that other memories are missing until reminded of the existence of these 'gaps' in memory. This phenomenon is also termed a brownout. Research indicates that fragmentary blackouts, or brownouts are far more common than en bloc blackouts.[7]
 
I dosed myself yesterday with 30mg sublingual, followed by a 25mg bump an hour later, and another 25mg bump an hour after the last..

I found myself in a comfortably detached state where I was able to see into what looked like a hypnagogic "portal" where I was able to view completely lucid scenery. Much like a waking dream.. Very comfortable and VERY psychedelic.

The "magic" point for me only came when the lights were off or when I was covering my eyes.. I found it is also good to listen to music that can carry you through the journey. The Orb was amazing. Music seems to influence the imagery.

After this experience I am looking forward to future higher dose experiences.. Definitely a trip worth taking.

-A side note- I haven't noticed any physical problems yet.
 
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