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Opiyum said:
So anyone else notice this apparent lowered center of gravity while on MXE?
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I had the feeling that I SHOULD have been clumsy at a lot of things, but wasn't. With this substance I am very aware of all the calculations my brain has to do for my body to perform a specific task, so the work load seems quite immense as I can break it down bit by bit. In practice though... yeah things pretty much carry on as normal.

If I gave this substance a personality, it would definately be an advanced mathematician who always double checks his work, no matter how simple the calculation.
 
ragabr said:
Changa and MXE go together awesomely, according to SWIM's experiments.
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I tried a big hit of changa as the tail of the MXE was just about dying off and it was pretty special. Next time I think I'll have a smaller pipe load closer to the MXE peak.

It was funny though, for a bit I thought I'd got some of my salvia mixed in with it and had a moment of disorientation afer I took in the smoke.. For probably about a minute or so actually I was in a state of confusion with no obvious OEV's but a definite headspace so to speak. As soon as I remembered what I was supposed to be doing I laid back, closed my eyes and was presented with the MOST beautiful city... on a plate... just right there.

Much rejoycing followed :)
 
soulfood said:
This stuff makes me feel like im in "A Scanner Darkly"
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I hope not the guy that keeps thinking bugs are crawling on him, cause that would be pretty creepy!!

I'll give this stuff another shot, but will try to do around 90 mgs at once, instead of over a couple hours. I really like ketamine, so perhaps I am just being a bit too hasty. Ketamine definitely comes on a lot faster and is over a little faster, which I definitely prefer, so far.. If my normal dose of IM ketamine is around .2 g, then what do you think would be a good dose of MXE snorted?
 
I have a highly positive outlook on this substance.

Ever since my 60mg dose 2 days ago, I've had an extremely positive state of mind. I can even now in the space of 5 seconds kind of meditate into a state of euphoria. I can't remember the last time I had such a positive outlook on life and felt so great just to be me.

This was acclerated by a dose of DMT I inhaled just as the substance was calming down and I had an amazing epiphany. I remember thanking myself over and over again. Every time I concerntrate on remembering that moment, I almost feel like I'm right back there in that state of mind, I could never be more content.

With a little concerntration, every moment can now seem like an entheogenic experience. Regular thoughts are now becoming so insightful and I've never been more greatful to have lived the life that I have and loved the people I have loved. They are all a part of me and to love myself is to love them.

10/10 for this one :)
 
I've been hearing a lot about mxe lately. Some of it excites me. Some of the things I hear worry me.

I hear stories of 40-50mg doses of mxe not doin much then hear how 10mg rocked another person's world. My impression (which is unfortunately common in the RC world) is that impure, mislabeled, and cut products are being shipped out.

Make sure if you buy an RC, ALWAYS do your research!!! Find some independent reviews. Find a bunch of them. Make sure others are gettin what they are supposed to, before ever even considering an order.

Don't ever assume anything when buying RCs! This is a dangerous scene. Caution is of the utmost importance. The only way to be sure you got what you wanted is to send a sample for analysis to an independent lab.

TREAD CAREFULLY!!
 
This positive state of mind feels like it's here to stay. I've learnt so much.

I think some time in a week or so I'm going to try a 50mg oral dose first thing in the morning and see how that goes, as I've only tried insufflating so far and quite late at night.

A lot of my best pharmahuasca sessions have been weighed out and consumed without even leaving bed. The waking state of mind is perfect for letting oneself slip away under the majestic power of psychedelics. Muchly looking forward to slipping away to this one.

Then I guess it's time to hang this one up for a while.
 
Opiyum said:
Has anyone else noticed that the loss of coordination and diminished motor skills is only perceived to be so and not actually?
It's a very odd feeling that I have trouble describing but even though there is a drunkenness the fact is I have much better balance and stability while on methoxetamine. The most I've ever done was 90mg (3x30mg per hour) and even at that dose, and others below it, I was very capable of doing certain one-legged yoga positions and stretches that I am normally able to do but not with the ease that I am able while on methoxetamine.
Hopefully this is making sense.
So anyone else notice this apparent lowered center of gravity while on MXE?
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Noticed the exact opposite, physical tasks were harder to achieve accurately, and mental clarity was diminished greatly. Seems to make it hard to convey ideas with language, seems to be causing certain short term memory issues as well.
For example, will learn that something is a certain way, like "don't have to go to the dentist today, that is next week", but a couple hours later will be in a state of panic because of missing the dentist appointment, must be reminded that already learned the appointment was next week. This has happened on more than one occasion.

Another example is having a routine that you follow weekly, like going to a meeting on a certain day, and has been the same for multiple weeks, but will show up to the meeting on a day that the meeting has never been on, even though it felt as though the meetings were certainly on this day since the meetings started.

Also, it seems to increase willingness to do things, like Jorkest said - increase productivity, but it seems to do so with a major decrease in the quality of work done.

It sometimes feels as though your thoughts have turned a corner two-steps ahead of you, and at times like this it is very difficult to use language. You have a very strong drive to do it though, this is a very social chemical, and the conversations can be quite insightful and broad if you manage to work around the weirdness.

Creativity with any level of complexity seems stilted and void of depth on this substance. Things like abstract painting, chanting, singing and playing guitar are enjoyable. Writing and character development and story development seem overwhelming, working with technology gets a bit frustrating as well.

Is reminded of the quote from Ann Shulgin from the Dirty Pictures documentary - "if we can't make love on a substance, we know something isn't right" - has yet to feel anything from this substance in this area - just does not seem conducive to intimacy - but would love to hear others experiences with this factor.

Would also like to hear oral experiences above 25mg, and any social situations experienced on the chemical, and what dosage level do you draw the line for going out - 20mg has been interesting for nights out chatting with friends and eating good food. One thing that is very positive is that it does not seem to decrease appetite in any appreciable amount.

Has anyone else experienced lingering mental effects or recurring brain farts after using this?
 
narmz said:
Has anyone else experienced lingering mental effects or recurring brain farts after using this?
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The only side effect I've really noticed is not being able to sleep for ages. This seems to be one of the only substances that won't even give me a pressure headache. I've been dosing at the end of the day where I'm quite physically worn out also. Largest dose so far has been 70mg insufflated.

I have to agree though to contradict my earlier statement. Even after the peak of the 70mg trip, I couldn't even weigh out a small dose of DMT, almost as if my motor skills aren't feeling what my eyes are seeing. I can see what I have to do, but can't quite execute efficently. This is only with small fiddley taskes though and I'm still quite capable of more agile taskes. That said though, sudden movements seem to really distort my sense of dimensions/space etc.
 
seven7seven said:
Don't ever assume anything when buying RCs! This is a dangerous scene. Caution is of the utmost importance. The only way to be sure you got what you wanted is to send a sample for analysis to an independent lab.
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I don't think I agree with this, with MXE there are authorised resellers, not hard to find out who the legitimate guys are... plus if you have experience with MXE it's not hard to know whether it's real or not, the dosage is unique, the quality of the powder is unique and the effects are pretty dissimilar from other drugs.... there have been stories from some people buying cheap from unauthorized sellers and getting tiletamine, but if you get it from anyone and don't test it, then you're asking for trouble.
 
In regards side effects, I've had aches behind the eyes and side pain, but only in the early days, not since... and in regards motor skills, this is a dissociative, I wouldn't expect things to be right in this department, like K, the effects are broad and are different at different doses on different days, sometimes you get very wonky, but other times quite lucid... I think it's futile to discuss the nature of this because those kind of drugs do that and you won't be able to lock it down.

One of the big things with MXE is time dilation, so you end up getting really messed up and time just flys by and before you know it, you've had a session and the next day has begun... the effects linger for about 12hrs, so you've really got to get a full nights sleep before the next day.

In regards the Ann Shulgin comment, I'm not really sure what she is getting at with that, I'm inclined to believe her understanding of this is based on being a women rather a man.. surely she doesn't count MDMA, MDMA although it makes people closer, it's by no means a drug suitable for sexual activity, all those drugs mess with that, she probably means ability to get an erection and I don't even agree with the idea, because a lot of the newer drugs are frankly perverted (I'm thinking the methylated cathinones in particular) and I don't want a drug that makes me horny (...or worse, which is possible), I think those drugs are disgusting and turn men into lower functioning cavemen. MXE does not effect you're ability to get an erection, it makes people closer and there is no issue getting turned on, and positively it makes pornography look disgusting + for men, sex is no longer your first priority. For me the drug couldn't be more ideal in this respect.
 
lbeing789 said:
seven7seven said:
Don't ever assume anything when buying RCs! This is a dangerous scene. Caution is of the utmost importance. The only way to be sure you got what you wanted is to send a sample for analysis to an independent lab.
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I don't think I agree with this, with MXE there are authorised resellers, not hard to find out who the legitimate guys are... plus if you have experience with MXE it's not hard to know whether it's real or not, the dosage is unique, the quality of the powder is unique and the effects are pretty dissimilar from other drugs.... there have been stories from some people buying cheap from unauthorized sellers and getting tiletamine, but if you get it from anyone and don't test it, then you're asking for trouble.
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I never said good quality MXE is not available. All I'm saying is get it from someone reputable. And have a sample tested to be sure.

It is a dangerous scene, even reputable vendors send out shitty products sometimes. HauptRC was a great example of just how bad things can go wrong (the 2cb-fly/bromo-dragonfly incident).

And there is bad MXE going around for sure!!! Just be careful.
 
lbeing789 said:
In regards the Ann Shulgin comment, I'm not really sure what she is getting at with that, I'm inclined to believe her understanding of this is based on being a women rather a man.. surely she doesn't count MDMA, MDMA although it makes people closer, it's by no means a drug suitable for sexual activity, all those drugs mess with that, she probably means ability to get an erection and I don't even agree with the idea, because a lot of the newer drugs are frankly perverted (I'm thinking the methylated cathinones in particular) and I don't want a drug that makes me horny (...or worse, which is possible), I think those drugs are disgusting and turn men into lower functioning cavemen. MXE does not effect you're ability to get an erection, it makes people closer and there is no issue getting turned on, and positively it makes pornography look disgusting + for men, sex is no longer your first priority. For me the drug couldn't be more ideal in this respect.
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I agree that killing the libido can be a very insightful mechanism.

I rate libido death much higher than ego death for a learning experience. :)
 
narmz said:
Would also like to hear oral experiences above 25mg, and any social situations experienced on the chemical, and what dosage level do you draw the line for going out - 20mg has been interesting for nights out chatting with friends and eating good food. One thing that is very positive is that it does not seem to decrease appetite in any appreciable amount.
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I've got to say again, really we're talking about dosage plateaus here and they are different for different people, I know this is a fact, one mans 25mg is not the same as someone else's... once you're experienced with it, you'll realise there are basically 3 (or more) levels, first level, you're pretty talkative, open, the mind opens up, perfectly suitable for social situations/partying, I've done it every week... 2nd level is wonky, a speech impediment develops, trouble getting words out, you can drift off into your mind with music... the 3rd level (for me) is basically too much, motor skills are heavily diminished, heart rate goes up, too much energy, the cool stuff happening from level 2 is no longer happening and visuals are all fussy and flickering, loops occurs in this stage too... during a session I try to get to just before level 3 and you can kinda feel it coming with experience.... MXE layers up, so if you take more in less than 3hrs, you'll end up in the higher levels. If you reach level 3, you can pretty much guarantee the next day will be a wipe out/ don't expect to get anything done, still an afterglow though.
 
lbeing789 said:
once you're experienced with it, you'll realize there are basically 3 (or more) levels
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with DXM there a 5 distinct levels (or plateaus). I'm sure these levels are universal to the dissociative experience.
 
seven7seven said:
I never said good quality MXE is not available. All I'm saying is get it from someone reputable. And have a sample tested to be sure.

It is a dangerous scene, even reputable vendors send out shitty products sometimes. ****** was a great example of just how bad things can go wrong (the 2cb-fly/bromo-dragonfly incident).

And there is bad MXE going around for sure!!! Just be careful.
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Sorry if that sounded like I was knocking back your post, because you're absolutely correct in everything you've said... and it's true that even the authorised resellers send out shit sometimes... I think this is for a variety of reasons, vendors buy from overseas chemists and they sometimes screw up and/or deliberately send out junk.. it is a dangerous scene... but you can develop trusted relationships with vendors, ask them frankly what they know... I think the response to RC's should be same as with all drugs, I think one of my original posts reflected on this topic. It's that risk reward ratio thing, RC's are risky, but it's fascinating to see something like MXE where I have to say the potential rewards are very very high. You're taking a risk, I just don't know at what point do people take the risk? and what is that risk relative to other things. Reflecting on MXE and the 3methoxies, its looking more and more like a real healer, and I find it amazing/highly intriguing that MXE seems to share some of the 3methoxy characteristics from Ibogaine. It really has amazing applications to treat addiction, depression and trauma. - a lot of these people don't have access to lab testing.

Another note about the DXM plateaus, absolutely I've read about the 5 plateaus, but I've never done DXM, I've seen too many brain dead TR's with that one, but I think you're right, the dissociative's work on a plateau system. It's interesting that they're so different, basically each of the arylcyclohexamines have a series of effects at different dosages.. but it's hard to say what the dosage is for each person, because of tolerance and cross-tolerance and genetics, you have to work your way up with personal experience... but if you're smart all these chemicals can be extremely rewarding.

At the weekend I started thinking about Ibogaine and it's relationship to humans, could it be possible that our brains have evolved a healing mechanism that relied on plants like the iboga root? and this can also be said for aya/DMT?, we've been around these plants for millions of years, I think it is very interesting that our brains seem to have such specialised systems for introspection, and this seems to be a nod towards a symbiotic relationship with these plants and that's hilarious because obviously we're talking about an RC. I think we've got to remember that all these things are linked, man studying nature, man and it's relationship to nature. This I guess goes back to base subject of what are drugs in the first place?
 
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