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soulfood said:
I rate libido death much higher than ego death for a learning experience. :)
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Yeah man, I think this is a fairly new concept that I've been trying to push on to people... libido death, that's funny :) for me it's all about evolution, lower level functions came first, higher level functions came later, men lusting after women is primitive, men respecting women and sharing real love is higher functioning, more modern in evolution, and really I'm all about throwing out the old shit... maybe 90% of me is a cave man, but we've evolved suppression of these emotions, we're not beyond it, they're still inside us. Hope that makes sense ;) getting esoteric now.
 
After having more experience with MXE, at this point I feel as though it is somewhat safe. I'm not sure of the physical repercussions, but mentally I don't think it is anything to worry about. It has helped me reach a number of beneficial insights.. However I do feel that it has addiction potential (However, in the end, anything enjoyable can be addictive).

Previously, I accidentally dosed myself too high and ended up in an overly "crazy" state of mind, but I think this was due to me not having very much experience with dissociatives outside of K. I have more experience now, and find the state of mind that it produces very unique and enjoyable.. Mind you, I haven't "holed" yet, but don't know if I even really want to.

It is a very relaxing high that I have found comes in 3 stages. It starts with a certain type of stimulation, then moves into a more relaxed high where it is easy to get lost in thought, followed by the afterglow. If I am with my girlfriend, I have found that sex on MXE has been great as well.. much deeper and connected from my experience. If I'm by myself, I find that dancing, yoga, tai chi, or just relaxing listening to music to be very enjoyable. Finding the sweet spot with a re-dose can be tricky at first, but after you have a tolerance to the effects it becomes easier.

Make sure you drink lots of water, be safe, weigh your doses, and enjoy yourselves. This is one RC that is worth looking into.
 
lbeing789 said:
In regards the Ann Shulgin comment, I'm not really sure what she is getting at with that, I'm inclined to believe her understanding of this is based on being a women rather a man.. surely she doesn't count MDMA, MDMA although it makes people closer, it's by no means a drug suitable for sexual activity, all those drugs mess with that, she probably means ability to get an erection and I don't even agree with the idea, because a lot of the newer drugs are frankly perverted (I'm thinking the methylated cathinones in particular) and I don't want a drug that makes me horny (...or worse, which is possible), I think those drugs are disgusting and turn men into lower functioning cavemen. MXE does not effect you're ability to get an erection, it makes people closer and there is no issue getting turned on, and positively it makes pornography look disgusting + for men, sex is no longer your first priority. For me the drug couldn't be more ideal in this respect.
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I don't think she's talking about an erection... and yes, she obviously would count MDMA as one of those, the Shulgins are very fond of MDMA if you had the chance to read their books it's fairly apparent. She also isn't talking about drugs that magically make you horny. She is talking about drugs that are conducive to intimacy and don't hinder it in any way. Drugs that are inherently tactile usually fall into this category. It is also drugs that allow you to tune into the needs and desires of others effectively that fall into this category.

This being said, I think I will retract my statements about it not having these qualities. It is a big hump you have to get over, my girl and I would just lie together, content to just be holding each other, there was this awkward hump, about the insignificance of sex that needed to be surpassed before anything happened - this chemical really does hide its potential.

Last night, along with having one of the most important realizations of my life on a 20mg oral dose, we also had some of the just down-right best love-making we've ever experienced. I have to admit that I jumped the gun on that - it really does not seem conducive to it at first, I feel very separate from people, almost in my own head too much - but when you manage to get there with this chemical - you will be delightfully surprised.
 
narmz said:
I don't think she's talking about an erection... and yes, she obviously would count MDMA as one of those, the Shulgins are very fond of MDMA if you had the chance to read their books it's fairly apparent. She also isn't talking about drugs that magically make you horny. She is talking about drugs that are conducive to intimacy and don't hinder it in any way. Drugs that are inherently tactile usually fall into this category. It is also drugs that allow you to tune into the needs and desires of others effectively that fall into this category.
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Yeah obviously I've familiar with their connection to MDMA that's why I mentioned it? I think you missed the point there... I'm not talking about drugs that "magically" make you horny, what do you mean magically? I thought I was much broader in my statement. I'm talking about the ones that turn you into a sex offender. I covered all the stuff you're saying here... also I'm still not sure what she is talking about and I still disagree with the whole idea regardless what she means. "I'm not sure" is what I originally said, but you're not sure either, right? although I value your opinion on the matter. I disagree with her comment on the dirty pictures trailer, just as a matter of fact I don't think her comment is that valuable. I mean, it's just her opinion and what she likes, it's not how we all feel, it's not how I feel, if a drug hinders intimacy that doesn't mean that much to me... intimacy is only an aspect of the drug experience.
 
MXE plus cannabis = very strange stuff.

Almost reminded me of LSD in a way. Well not almost, if it even slightly reminded me of LSD it obviously reminded me of LSD... well u get me anyways.

People should be warned that this chemical can take you very far very quickly. I saw a friend mix it with alcohol and cannabis the other day and he looked like death. MXE is defo best dosed on a clean head and body for best effect. I imagone otherwise the confusion factor is just way off the chart.
 
soulfood said:
MXE plus cannabis = very strange stuff.

Almost reminded me of LSD in a way. Well not almost, if it even slightly reminded me of LSD it obviously reminded me of LSD... well u get me anyways.

People should be warned that this chemical can take you very far very quickly. I saw a friend mix it with alcohol and cannabis the other day and he looked like death. MXE is defo best dosed on a clean head and body for best effect. I imagone otherwise the confusion factor is just way off the chart.
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I would say that the only similarity that MXE has to LSD is that it can be psychedelic.. But that is where the similarity ends IMO. The visuals don't stick out as much as acid, and the feeling is totally different. There are also different levels of mental effects that you can achieve with MXE that can't be achieved with acid.

I have a few friends that mix low dose MXE with alcohol and get no bad effect.. but I personally don't think it is safe to combine the two.

In my experience, I have found that pot doesn't make the experience any better or any worse. If anything it tends to cloud the experience, but I haven't found it to intensify the effects.

Changa is absolutely beautiful on MXE though.. this is a combo that I HIGHLY recommend! I've heard that AMT and MXE is a good combo as well.. I think next time I will try AMT+MXE+Changa.
 
See I never smoke cannabis. The last time was 6 months ago before this and I found the mental effects to be very similar. This was just past the peak on 70mg oral.

Yes it was certainly no where as near as visual, but the feeling was very reminiscent to myself.
 
soulfood said:
MXE plus cannabis = very strange stuff.

People should be warned that this chemical can take you very far very quickly. I saw a friend mix it with alcohol and cannabis the other day and he looked like death. MXE is defo best dosed on a clean head and body for best effect. I imagone otherwise the confusion factor is just way off the chart.
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I assume you mean my bro here then?... ;p
Quite the stag party!

Cloud said:
In my experience, I have found that pot doesn't make the experience any better or any worse. If anything it tends to cloud the experience, but I haven't found it to intensify the effects.
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Well... I'd had 3 beers (A pint of Old S. Hen, and two pints of Mild, so nothing heavy)! Then later back at the house, as soulfood says, it was 70 mg down the hatch. Quite an intense experience, however it wasn't till I partook in some weed after the peak wore off that the trip really intensified. I became highly disorientated, and started to hallucinate quite heavily! My center of gravity was pretty off, and I was finding coherent thought extremely difficult to maintain. I'd go through stages of being quite paranoid, to stages of mild euphoria and giddyness whereby I could really enjoy the visuals and headspace! I'm pretty sure much of this was down to the weed!
 
Yeah, whilst enjoyable in the company of others under the influence of the same substance, I can see how MXE could have something else to offer when taken solo, allowing yourself to work with and/or meditate on it!

But still soulfood - "...Is this what it's come down to"?!? XD
 
i can totally see the connection that mxe has quite a few similarities to lsd...except..yes the visuals..but im starting to think that i may rate mxe very close to lsd in usefulness...its insanely easy to have amazingly deep insights into the world and your life..my perspective of the world has changed amazingly the last few weeks...and ive been generally happier..

this chemical allows you to think about your problems in a very clean and clear way..ive talked myself out of embarrassment and depression with 28mg of the stuff...i usually just lay in bed and watch movies..i find that i can listen to music..watch movies and think about life all very easily..its like my brain on jet fuel...

this effect has grown over usage..at first it was hard to control..but now control comes easily...and i feel there is still much to experience and explore with this chemical..

what a treat its been!
 
SWIM finally got 1g in and tests will be started in the next few days.
Very glad that eating it is an efficient way to take, no other resource mentions that.

*giddy*
 
yes taking it orally is so much better of an experience..it comes on so much smoother and subtler..and much less aggressively..but totally powerful..

i find mxe to dry up my nostrils..it doesnt really hurt..but its just dry...so eating it has been much nicer..

alcohol does muddy up the experience..and weed does kinda put it into overdrive for a few minutes...most of the time i just forget to smoke while im on mxe..
 
Cloud said:
I have a few friends that mix low dose MXE with alcohol and get no bad effect.. but I personally don't think it is safe to combine the two.
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This guy was quite drunk and dosed 70mg. He was fine the next day and didn't report any ill effects, he just looked like crap and seemed a bit slower than us other 2. Elbowcups had a couple of pints and probably could have been described as a little paranoid and somewhat lacking in composure.

I had half a pint 2 hours before dosing and I was 100% lucid until smoking the cannabis, where I was still sound of mind and focussed, but things definatelly became much more intense.
 
soulfood said:
Elbowcups had a couple of pints and probably could have been described as a little paranoid and somewhat lacking in composure.
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Haha! Lacking in composure is a somewhat polite way of putting that I was acting a bit of a spaz! To be honest, I think in a different setting I'd have been fine!! Next time I'll indulge somewhere safer, like my own place ! ;)
 
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