fractal enchantment said:
all this just reinforces my desire to never touch mxe..I guess I somewhat understand why some find exploring it interesting, but I dunno, sounds kinda sketchy to me. The idea of taking something that has a sort of limit to how many times it can work on me is kinda iffy..I would tend to wonder just what the stuff actaully did ot my nervous system? Does this really happen with NMDA antagonists after a period of time?..also the ammount and frequency people are using this stuff with this whole chemical families track record is alarming and makes me think addiction is taking hold. People talk about dosing this stuff for days at a time...I dont want to judge people but personally I wouldnt risk my health by taking so much of something we know nothing about. This isnt LSD or DMT or psilocin we are taking about. I know ketmaine isnt really neurotoxic, but alot of people get wrecked with the stuff and fuck themselves up physically with heavy use..I dunno how similar these RC analogues are..
I think I will just stick to my origional plan now and wait for my iboga experience.
Yeah I don't really understand your perspective on this... I don't like how you say it "sounds kinda sketchy", you said that same thing on the AMT thread, you don't seem to be looking at this the same way I do and your reasoning just seems wrong to me. The reason why NMDA drugs have a limit has many good reasons and they're no different to other drugs, weed does the same thing, opiates do the same thing, loads of traditional drugs do that- all of them do to a certain extent. I mean you say its "kinda iffy", are you suggesting that drugs operate on you in some kind of deliberate fashion? you're assuming this means damage, I see it more as doing all it can do for you, then you're done, I see the NMDA drugs as a kind of defrag of your mind, or a reindexing and the bulk of that work is done rather quickly.
Then you're wondering what these drugs are doing to the nervous system, I think you've wrongly got the idea in your head that LSD/DMT/Psilocin don't have the same concerns, the scientific understanding of those drugs is also very weak, they have long term usage history which suggest you will live, but you're fooling yourself if you think science has shown those drugs to be completely safe- you can bet they effect your nervous system, basically you have very little understanding of what DMT does to your mind/body, nobody really knows... and I'm sure you'll say something like "people in the amazon have been doing it forever", and they look fine, but they could all have damage without even realising it -for all you know DMT could be like mental chemotherapy.
I've personally known people who have lost their mind on LSD, I've personally had major mental problems from doing DMT, I've gotten anxiety from mushrooms... you're doing the same kind of experimentation that we're doing... you've just convinced yourself it's in a completely different ball game - when it isn't. I also don't like how you rampantly speculate on things you clearly don't understand/have no experience with yourself. This family of drugs does not have a negative track record... that's just nonsense, even the problems with ketamine have not been fully confirmed yet... and the 3meothoxies certainly don't have a track record - so where's this negative track record?.
I can tell you the reason why I do RC's is because I'm interested in new developments of drugs, I don't believe the old stuff is better.. long term effects have not been established on any of the popular drugs. Doing MXE is risky to a certain extent because it hasn't been around long, but there are NO REASONS to believe it is harmful as yet... there are perfectly good reasons for trying it... did you not catch that bit about it sharing the same characteristics as iboga?? for me it's destroyed my addiction to other drugs, it's also improved my mind and body... you do realise these positive drugs may exist and in that case, people need to try them to find out. MXE is a designer drug, made by man for man, it's not a side effect or accident of a drug like LSD, alcohol, weed, mushrooms, etc. DMT would be a side effect drug if it weren't naturally occurring in our body. That says something about safety and understanding, the MXE molecule was crafted to behave a certain way and therefore it's side effects are somewhat predictable.
I've posted an experience with someone doing WAY TOO MUCH in their first go, if you take too much acid or too much dmt, or too many mushrooms in a similar fashion, I think you'd have far worse problems + this happens all the time. It doesn't take a genius to see how this works. This was a new experience and the fear of the unknown is what made the experience so harrowing, it turned out fine though - surely nobody thinks it's impossible to take too much of something.
In regards addiction, if you'd been following the thread, you'd have realised the reason why people take it so much is because they can, it's not because they can't help themselves... similar to how people consume caffeine or marijuana, or alcohol...addiction is a concern with anything good.. the effects are not debilitating like LSD/Mushrooms/DMT, and usage seems to encourage a better lifestyle, with no negative consequences... what we find so interesting about this drug is that there doesn't seem to be a reason not to do it, you seem to be looking for any excuse to be weary of it... I'm kinda blown away that you come to that conclusion after reading this thread...
Nobody is trying to get you to take it Fractal. "all this just reinforces my desire to never touch mxe" is just an odd way to open a paragraph, you must have colored glasses on. You obviously have an issue with man made chemicals, but to me that is absurd. The risks are not as high as you think they are, we ingest harmful chemicals all the time, its too much of a harmful chemical when you get into problems. Water, Salt, Vitamin C, they are all fine in small doses.. We're going through the motions of testing it and reporting on it so that others can find out about it... you say we know nothing about it... actually I know a lot about it and this notion that you'd like to know what it's doing to your body/mind, that's just a pipe dream because we know hardly anything about the mechanism of action for so many common drugs that have been around for a long time... we just don't know enough about the brain and we don't have enough methods of testing for physical effects. Basically all chemicals have risks, whether they're natural or RC, or been around for a while, it's a calculated risk... FYI there is a very real risk of death on iboga. Obviously we're not dropping dead from MXE and there are no immediate problems, and that's usually the height of scheduled drug testing by the way... nothing is fully understood.
Stick to your original plan, RC's are not for you.. but the whole concept of people taking RCs involves risks, I honestly don't think you should be commenting on an RC thread because you're just stating the obvious... you don't honestly think we're all stupid and don't understand the risks being taken?? all I can tell you is that the calculated risks are not as big as you make out... we know what we're doing and for me it's been worth it, for a few shit RC's that I regret taking, you get genuine gems like MXE (also to a lesser extent MDAI, AMT, 4ACODMT, the 2C's, etc) which made the whole experiment worthwhile. The RC game is a bit like cutting edge technology, you get the latest and greatest thing but you end up being the bug tester... but the bugs usually aren't show stoppers and ALL chemicals have bugs.
