Methoxetamine?!

[Lavos]

Ok, a little more on my use. I used 4 days in a row, knowing that I was 'abusing' a little. I wanted to see how long it could be enjoyed for/how long before I started feining for it. After 4 days I was very tired, and it had much less effect on me. My sleep was so nice though. I cannot sleep usually for about 4 or 5 hours maybe more after using. No craving at all really. Some fresh toxin pimples on back and bum, nothing serious.

I wrapped in a blanket on my lounge chair, and rolled back and forth to the music, with delightful peaceful thoughts, they had been building over the last few days, built on ideas like we are all gonna die, young and old, some will burn, some heads will roll, some will fall blah blah so it is here.

It's interesting to me that it caused these kinds of thoughts.

My first realisation with MXE was like an exclamation over my head, reminding me about how immensley humans beings are set up in their relationships with eachother to experience such immense emotional pain. Such darkness made the later revelations all the more bright.

I'm not sure if you see how these thoughts affected me or not. What I mean is. It is so beautiful to just be alive. Do not fear the next day. Do not fear failure. Be glad to even want and try. I heard the words 'ordinary men' in a pink floyd song, and I tripped out, how could man be ordinary, we are so not ordinary in our design and place here. I get the exclamation point over the head thing, the energy, rising up, feel like they activate the crown a bit, as all is understood to be fine the way it is. I have grim thoughts, and so all those thoughts were somewhat alleviated, thinking, if you died in gross ways, so what, who could care or do anything to change or make it better?

Anyway, I got mine from one of the few trusted sources, as I saw it. I'm just not getting into the same mental space as some of you it sounds. I'm made very peaceful, and more open. Like ideas are accepted as good food. But the thought patterns don't really seem to last. I want to change, but not sure wtf I'm doing here. I'm working out no more no less than before. I found my initial 20mg dose and the dose of 60mg 4 days later to be most enjoyable. I would not just sit down with a new bag and hit 60 with no tolerance.

To those of you coming away with the most from this drug, do you meditate, just watch TV, lay back and listen to music, hit nature?. It sounds most effective when used once weekly, maybe once monthly? But it sounds like some of you guys have gotten real positive results with more? I initially planned on doing it less, but partner got away with little here little there and I said wtf-fuck it.

edit: oh, and for record, partners little here and theres were always like 8-12mg at a time, maybe another 8 an hour later. Not all day and never over 40-50mg over the period.

 

[PureMan]

To those of you coming away with the most from this drug, do you meditate, just watch TV, lay back and listen to music, hit nature?. It sounds most effective when used once weekly, maybe once monthly? But it sounds like some of you guys have gotten real positive results with more? I initially planned on doing it less, but partner got away with little here little there and I said wtf-fuck it.

Lower levels can be good for socializing.. not in an MDMA kind of way though.. It helps if everyone is on it.

Higher levels I like to lie down with something covering my eyes in the darkness while listening to music. There is definite "magic" that happens with higher doses.

This is a very special RC with a lot of potential. At one point I was using it daily but these days I dose maybe once a week without any fiending. It isn't addictive in the classic sense. It is a thoroughly enjoyable experience, but I have no compulsion to overuse. I have much respect for this tool. Very therapeutic.

 

[narmz]

i also havent found any negative side effects...my mind body and soul have been boosted..by what i dont know..but at this moment..my life is going so well...that may also be a reason i have had such great experiences with this stuff..

i have had muuuuch worse word salad from 2C's...mxe produces MILD word salad..but its nothing NEARLY as debilitating as 2c's

word salad = how are you doing tonamnwaaaeff

mxe word salad = how are you doing toDAY

so far..i rate this stuff up there with LSD..this chemical has shown me the most amazing perspectives that i can KEEP...they dont go away when i come down...i can retain them...to each their own....taking this drug is risky..i know..but the positive effects i have experienced have been absolutely amazing for me and my life.(period)

That's so strange, the 2c's for me are so much more clear than mxe. The word salad example you gave is almost the exact opposite in my experience, 'tonamnwaaaeff' is a perfect representation of what happens to my language centers on mxe, while the 2c's have basically no impact whatsoever on my speech or ability to arrange thoughts.

Anyhow, i guess it just goes to show that different people experience vastly different effects from the same chemicals.

 

[soulfood]

MXE... It's soooo much cheaper than a Psychiatrist

 

[soulfood]

Hell I'm just going to come out and say it.

I mixed 150mg rue extract with 60mg MXE. It's now the next day and I'm fit as can be with no negative after effects. I dosed the rue first, orally, then took the MXE intrasally 10mg's at a time as not to run into something I couldn't walk away from too quickly.

I wouldn't say the two synergised, but they definately seemed to overlay eachother without crossing too much onto eachothers turf. MXE headspace, harmala tracer visuals with that classic calming effect.

I wrote an email to a friend about what I was thinking at the time. The more I wrote, the more came out. At one point I was actually in tears, as if crying for something I should have cried about and got over years ago.

I won't write up a report for the nexus to see as it's all very personal shit, but man did this get some serious demons put to rest. Real deep down childhood stuff.

New man today...

again

 

[d*l*b]

I was initially quite interested in MXE, but after an evening of experimentation I really am not sure.

After an initial play and after a final dose that was perhaps slightly too large I think that ending up in an m-hole is not really very comfortable at all. If I have another session with MXE I will be staying away from doses that will get me anywhere close to that point.

My session left me with a foggy head that still persists a day and a half later, which I find quite worrying indeed.

Be careful with this stuff!

 

[justine]

I have done some experimentations with mxe for the last two weeks at various dosage (usually 20-50mg, once 100mg, orally) and while I wasn't overwhelmed by its immediate
effects (I never got this "magical feeling" that some people talk about) I greatly enjoyed the afterglow and new reality-tunnel it brought me. I think it may have great therapeutics
values however I sensed a dark-side it may have when taken too regularly, that's why I've chosen not to take any more for a few weeks/months. I think that if treated with respect
this chemical can be a very powerful tool.

 

[corpus callosum]

I strongly agree with the posts relating to the therapeutic potential of MXE but ,IMO, this compound will only continue to be of value if used infrequently.This will also prevent unnecessary dosage escalations.

Dissociatives have not tended to provoke anxiety in me but the last time I took it, I also took 4mg diazepam with it (because it was there, more than for any other reason) and this had the effect of really giving some valuable introspective insights.Paradoxically it also made it feel a little frivolous too but this didnt detract from its value.It really is a special compound and I can appreciate why some may be inclined to take it on consecutive days but I fear this will lead to diminishing returns and a far-reaching drawn-out tolerance if pushed too hard.

 

[cecil_cbr]

i'm not sure if many people have tried this yet but mixing mxe with weed is a really nice experience imo, makes the effects a little stronger but very pleasant

 

[PureMan]

Tolerance is of little issue with MXE.. Which is where the addiction "can" come in. I find that my tolerance is back to baseline within 3/4 days.. But that's me.. I'm sure my tolerance could get high if I used frequently.... but this applies to all substances. MXE shows less tolerance to me than other substances I've used. I don't feel cravings for it either.

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More on the "magic" point that I found:

The "magic" point only came to me from 60mg+ doses with a blindfold and music to drive the experience. There was a definite "hyperspace" that I entered. The true visuals come out in darkness.

I'm interested to hear if anyone else has had similar experiences to mine.

- IMO higher doses need further exploration.

 

[ibeing897]

Tolerance is of little issue with MXE.. Which is where the addiction "can" come in. I find that my tolerance is back to baseline within 3/4 days.. But that's me.. I'm sure my tolerance could get high if I used frequently.... but this applies to all substances. MXE shows less tolerance to me than other substances I've used. I don't feel cravings for it either.

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More on the "magic" point that I found:

The "magic" point only came to me from 60mg+ doses with a blindfold and music to drive the experience. There was a definite "hyperspace" that I entered. The true visuals come out in darkness.

I'm interested to hear if anyone else has had similar experiences to mine.

- IMO higher doses need further exploration.

I have to remark to this.. "tolerance is of little issue with MXE" that's just an opinion/one man's experience - it's not the consensus view. Most of the discussion on methoxetamine has been going on at bluelight because that's where it originated and tolerance is discussed heavily. I've experienced tolerance myself and so have my lab partners and if the chemistry is to be believed - the drug should become tolerant, different drugs have different tolerance curves, ketamine/NMDA antagonists become tolerant quickly/long lasting.. MXE has several effects each of which become tolerant at different rates. The stimulant effect seen at low doses seems to remain for a long time, but the opioid and dissociative effects diminish quickly and heavily. Interestingly the psychedelic effect does return with relatively short abstinence (3/4 days) - I'm thinking this is what Cloud is talking about. There have been several BL posts recently discussing the linear response dosage curve. It's actually quite complicated because of the multi-faceted nature of MXE and the different reward centres of the brain down-regulating at different times.

 

[soulfood]

- IMO higher doses need further exploration.

I had a dose that was 120mg+ a couple of small lines. My bones felt like liquid flowing through the stream that I was seeing all around me. Time passed very fast and this was definite escapist territory. My inner voice was silenced for several hours, but overall the experience was quite blissful. I've never used a proper opiate, but I imagine at these doses you could say it's like a psychedelic morphene.

I felt like death for 12 hours after though... couldn't sleep that whole time too.

 

[EnterTheVoid]

I've read a bunch about methoxetamine online, but after reading this whole thread I'm even more interested.

Would any of you recommend this to someone who has never done a dissociative or anything like it before? I have experience with cannabis, some opioids, and DMT.

 

[ibeing897]

I've read a bunch about methoxetamine online, but after reading this whole thread I'm even more interested.

Would any of you recommend this to someone who has never done a dissociative or anything like it before? I have experience with cannabis, some opioids, and DMT.

For me it's been an incredibly rewarding chemical that I've enjoyed, but I can't recommend anything outright.. I've learned that's not responsible.. you've got to make up your own mind by reading (it looks like that's what you've done)... all I can tell you is that if you've never done a dissociative before it will hit you especially hard at first, so you've got to go incredibly slow, starting at the lowest possible dose.. some people don't like them... some people get horribly seduced by them... a lot of people [including myself] started using MXE with an existing NMDA antagonist tolerance from using things like ketamine/4meo/dxm etc. That's what I meant with my response to cloud, people who have done those drugs before have a cross tolerance to the dissociative effect.

I wouldn't look for recommendations because this is a research chemical and you've got to take responsibility for using it yourself. If you'd read my horror post a while back, that was from someone who used a recommendation to justify reckless use.

 

[soulfood]

I'd never tried a disasociative before MXE (excluding salvia, but that's veeeeery different).

I started at 25mg and found the experience quite easy to handle. The only bad time I get from this stuff is when I get to the 90mg area and then I can't read.

 

[ibeing897]

I'd never tried a disasociative before MXE (excluding salvia, but that's veeeeery different).

I started at 25mg and found the experience quite easy to handle. The only bad time I get from this stuff is when I get to the 90mg area and then I can't read.

Yeah obviously it's pretty forgiving and most people enjoy it.. but like I already said, some people don't react well to dissociative's, this is more so than other drugs, there are theories that genetics are involved... so you start low to find out whether you like them or not. I would say 10mg.

 

[q21q21]

I've taken it 2 more times at 35mg and it is very interesting still.

I definitely don't enjoy the entire experience but both while reading about it and while remembering it I think of it as great. Seems that though I know that there was over an hour and a half of on of the experiences that I was simply annoyed and not having a good time at all feeling "purposeless" when I think about doing it again I have fond fond memories of the experience as a whole and am very hopeful for it.

The comeup for me has a fantastic hopeful rush that lasts for over 30 minutes fading at maybe and hour into the trippy calmer effects.


I'm really surprised no one has mentioned DXM as a comparison, I think MXE is much better in almost every way and yes there are huge differences like DXM's body load, nasty come-up and stuff but despite that there are key similarities I feel. Maybe it's cause I've only done Ketamine 3 times at low doses (40mg, 60mg and 80mg nasally) and never done PCP that I think of DXM but I was really confused and at a loss of how to define or describe the effects until I thought of DXM then I was like "Oh ya!" and it made more sense.

I mention all the time my paradoxical reaction (possible because of Aspergers Syndrome) but a few similarities I could mention would be the feeling of "far from real life" is similar with DXM/MXE. The lack of enjoyment in watching TV is similar with DXM/MXE. The vagueness of the comedown is similar.

Thinking about it I feel the urge to take some but I am not going to today.
One interesting things is that when I took 20mg after a meal I was feeling so little at 1 hour that I redosed 15 more thinking that my tolerance had gone up or something.
I took 20mg on an empty stomach and at 46min in I was really uneasy about taking 15mg again to make it the same dose as before because the effect were so pronounced! I did and found that what I suspected the last time was true that the "intensity" is completely different on a 20mg dose and a 35mg dose and in a way or two the 35mg is kinda less intense.

Just wanted to mention that, interested to hear other's experiences in comparison!

 

[ibeing897]

I've taken it 2 more times at 35mg and it is very interesting still.

I definitely don't enjoy the entire experience but both while reading about it and while remembering it I think of it as great. Seems that though I know that there was over an hour and a half of on of the experiences that I was simply annoyed and not having a good time at all feeling "purposeless" when I think about doing it again I have fond fond memories of the experience as a whole and am very hopeful for it.

The comeup for me has a fantastic hopeful rush that lasts for over 30 minutes fading at maybe and hour into the trippy calmer effects.


I'm really surprised no one has mentioned DXM as a comparison, I think MXE is much better in almost every way and yes there are huge differences like DXM's body load, nasty come-up and stuff but despite that there are key similarities I feel. Maybe it's cause I've only done Ketamine 3 times at low doses (40mg, 60mg and 80mg nasally) and never done PCP that I think of DXM but I was really confused and at a loss of how to define or describe the effects until I thought of DXM then I was like "Oh ya!" and it made more sense.

I mention all the time my paradoxical reaction (possible because of Aspergers Syndrome) but a few similarities I could mention would be the feeling of "far from real life" is similar with DXM/MXE. The lack of enjoyment in watching TV is similar with DXM/MXE. The vagueness of the comedown is similar.

Thinking about it I feel the urge to take some but I am not going to today.
One interesting things is that when I took 20mg after a meal I was feeling so little at 1 hour that I redosed 15 more thinking that my tolerance had gone up or something.
I took 20mg on an empty stomach and at 46min in I was really uneasy about taking 15mg again to make it the same dose as before because the effect were so pronounced! I did and found that what I suspected the last time was true that the "intensity" is completely different on a 20mg dose and a 35mg dose and in a way or two the 35mg is kinda less intense.

Just wanted to mention that, interested to hear other's experiences in comparison!

I've never actually done DXM myself but I can imagine similarities... one side effect I've become concerned of with MXE is that my spelling seems to have gone to shit, I find myself using my spell checker much more often, and I've read about this side effect from DXM use... anyways, it's been a few weeks since I've used it now and I've broke the addiction... funny coincidence, I was also diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome when I was a child, but I've always been sceptical of it as a real condition, I definitely have some kind of higher functioning autism but the spectrum seems so large, it seems like people don't really know what's going on with that still... I actually have increased verbosity for example, it's probably noticeable from my huge paragraphs... I've had friends recognise my posts just from my writing style, I think that's pretty funny.. I also have problems with facial recognition/social cues, but there just seems to be a huge range of disparate aspergers symptoms. Anyways... yeah if anyone else could chime in on DXM similarities that would be helpful

 

[q21q21]

I was also diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome when I was a child, but I've always been sceptical of it as a real condition, I definitely have some kind of higher functioning autism but the spectrum seems so large, it seems like people don't really know what's going on with that still... I actually have increased verbosity for example, it's probably noticeable from my huge paragraphs... I've had friends recognise my posts just from my writing style, I think that's pretty funny.. I also have problems with facial recognition/social cues, but there just seems to be a huge range of disparate aspergers symptoms. Anyways... yeah if anyone else could chime in on DXM similarities that would be helpful

I suspected I was on the spectrum about a year ago then a couple months ago I watched a TED talk by Temple Grandin and then watched the movie based on her (Titled "Temple Grandin" ) and the portrayal of her experiences though she is more effected by autism than me were so striking that I was over 90% sure that I had something on the spectrum by the end of the movie.

I then started reading her book "The Unwritten rules of social relationships" and the descriptions of cases were in tune with my growing up so ridiculously I'm 97% sure now and when I get a chance I think I'll get officially diagnosed.
There are so many varieties though, Sean Barron the co-writer's stories/advice are confusing, irrelevant and non-helpful to me compared to Temple's accounts that are like reading my childhood biography to a T sometimes.

 

[ibeing897]

^ will have to read that at some point... the whole subject is interesting, I think there are probably a lot of variations/subsets of aspergers, it's interesting when we talk about MXE and even DMT, also things like Melatonin which is implicated in autism.... I mean I've always looked at it as an evolutionary thing, I have a lot of unique attributes that are related to autism, a lot of them are genuine problems, especially related to social behaviours but looked at another way, they could be viewed as benefits, for example, I have a predicate understanding of systems and machines.. I'm a pretty good computer programmer for example, I've been doing it since I was a kid and that's a popular job for AS people... socialising isn't an attribute that helps with that it's probably good to be less sociable for raw technical ability. I think a lot of so called "nerds" are probably genetically different from "jocks". Controversial position still, but it's funny how the attributes parallel.