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Never taken hallucinogens before, should I start with DMT?
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[quote='Coatl]I'd say start with Cactus, LSA or 'Shrooms, not DMT or Ayahuasca!
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Well, why? I'm all ears.
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Well, why? I'm all ears.
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Jorkest said:
Could you clarify? I'd love to hear.
SWIM has a way of noticing if somebody will or has smoked dmt
and once you make the decision..its already happened..its like time doesnt exist..and once you make the decision..it changes your future so that you will end up doing it...
so to me..it seems like you have already done it
and once you make the decision..its already happened..its like time doesnt exist..and once you make the decision..it changes your future so that you will end up doing it...
so to me..it seems like you have already done it
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Jakabok Botch said:
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Wow, interesting, lol.
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The transcendental object at the end of time.
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Funnily enough, years ago I had a near death experiance in which I witnessed this bio-synthetic alchemical...stuff. It was amorphous and a ball. It ate me. True story.
the funny thing about this is that a very close friend of SWIM took some DMT and saw the same thing, and this is before telling SWIM's friend that I had this experiance.
the funny thing about this is that a very close friend of SWIM took some DMT and saw the same thing, and this is before telling SWIM's friend that I had this experiance.
Listen, it's your psyche - you make the call, assuming you're a fully functioning adult. For what it's worth (and only because you solicited the advice), SWIM's two cents are as follows: Your ride will be over in 5-10 minutes, this is true; you're not going to get stuck in another space. But the advice to "remember it's a short ride" or "keep telling yourself you've chosen to do this" is a little bit cavalier coming from those who've been there and back many times. At a high enough dose (assuming you are able to take and hold your hits), time is going to lose all meaning; 5 minutes may seem literally like an eternity. Ever experienced an eternity of fear? You won't have the ability to tell yourself anything, because for as long as it lasts, you won't be you. You won't be anything, at least nothing that's familiar to you.
If you go into this with something to prove (to yourself or anyone else), you may find yourself getting your ass kicked. Why go through it unnecissarily when you can just work your way up? Does your friend only have one hit with your name on it? Start with 20mg's, 25 tops. You'll get a taste of what's in store, but it won't swallow you up entirely. If you like it, go from there. But the difference between 20 and 50 is like going for a dip in the pool as opposed to being thrown into the middle of the ocean.
It's an extraordinary experience, but it should be approached with reverence and respect, and never taken lightly.
If you go into this with something to prove (to yourself or anyone else), you may find yourself getting your ass kicked. Why go through it unnecissarily when you can just work your way up? Does your friend only have one hit with your name on it? Start with 20mg's, 25 tops. You'll get a taste of what's in store, but it won't swallow you up entirely. If you like it, go from there. But the difference between 20 and 50 is like going for a dip in the pool as opposed to being thrown into the middle of the ocean.
It's an extraordinary experience, but it should be approached with reverence and respect, and never taken lightly.
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Uncle Knucles said:
Thank you for your input. Why don't you tell us how your friend SWIM worked their way into hallucinogens way back when?
Though may I ask, why would you experiance an eternity of fear, a psychopathic mobius loop? Bear in mind that several SWIMs known to posters here have taken DMT their first time andhave been groovy. Or if not DMT, then something else.
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Uncle Knucles said:
I don't know, what's one of those?
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As far as I remember, the darkest it ever got in Strassman's DMT studies were being, respectively, raped by a crocodile and getting stuck in a crystaline/plastic mobius loop tunnel. I should re-read it.
Alright. SWIM started smoking pot at 14, dropping acid at 15, has done so maybe 100 times since (with a lot of high dose experiences), has a fair amount of experience with mushrooms, lesser experience with pcp, mda and salvia, and is just geting his feet wet very recently with dmt (with about 15 trips so far). Don't get me wrong - it is spectacular, phenomenal, everything you are hoping for and more. But it's a lot to take in - more than any of those other drugs. Just tread lightly and be smart about it and you'll be fine.
DMT is the friendliest hallucinogen out there. foaf laid a fat dose on his MOTHER, a 55 year old mild mannered doctor/mother of 6, who smoked pot maybe 10 times in HS, and sniffed cocaine ONCE in college. took 4 pretty good hits, said WOWWW!!!! and laid back onto her bed motionless for 10 minutes. couldnt get the smile off her face for 20 minutes after it was over...
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It seems to be a dichotomy of, on the one hand, "titanic alien landscapes" that can make your whole psychic tpology,at least while you're tripping, look like a pile of children's coloured blocks. On the othe hand, you have the arguements that it is the friendliest, that our brains metabolise it like nothing else, ect.
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So, yeah, it's paradoxical, but as is everything.
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Uncle Knucles said:
SWIM had any dark trips on DMT/LSD that might be relevant to share on this thread?
Sure. I imagine that most people who delve in deeply to psychedelics over a long period of time have some dark ones. SWIM certainly has - with LSD, with PCP and most recently with DMT - no freakouts or incidents of any kind - but some dark and scary trips, most definitely. Heavy psychedelics mirror your psyche; what you bring in to the experience is usually amplified greatly and shown back to you in any number of ways. This is why set and setting are so important. Nowhere (at least in SWIM's experience) is this truer than with DMT. SWIM has never had any experiences he felt were damaging after the fact (no trouble reintegrating, dislocation of reality, etc.), and as you're back to baseline so quickly with DMT, the danger seems fairly minimal. But when you're inside the experience, the fear is very real, for whatever amount of time it lasts.
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