LawnBoy said:My psoriasis acts up bad and I take this. It says it has no "extras" except for the veggie capsule. Is it still the ester? Would it be suspicious to ask the supplier if the acid is actually the ester? There is no mention of ester on the bottle.
idtravlr said:NOTE and Question for everyone here: In cooking, tartaric acid (cream of tartar, which can be found at any grocery) can be used as a substitute for fumaric acid @ a 3 parts tartaric acid in place of every 2 parts of fumaric that is called for. Does anyone know if / why tartaric couldn't be substituted?
Peace,
-idt
Ahhh... That actually clears things up quite a bit. It makes sense that a "hydroscopic" acid would result in a "wetter" end result, or a less "precipitable" acetate due to the attached H20 molecules (I'm assuming I'm understanding this correctly).69ron said:'unbump'
In cooking, since they are just using the acid for tartness, it doesn’t much matter if you substitute tartaric acid for fumaric acid. But in chemistry, it can matter quite a lot.
The properties of fumaric acid are unique. It's one of the very few non-hygroscopic acids in existence. Tartaric acid, like most other acids, is hydroscopic, meaning it absorbs water from the air.
DMT tartrate is very hydroscopic and becomes a sticky goo pretty fast. The same with DMT citrate and DMT HCl.
DMT fumarate is a dry powder.
So if you want a dry powder, fumaric acid is your best option.
When it comes to a tech that uses precipitation, the acid used is often very important. For example, mescaline HCl will precipitate from xylene, but mescaline fumarate won’t. Also, DMT fumarate will precipitate from acetone easily, but DMT citrate has a hard time precipitating from acetone.
Thanks for the "unbump"!idtravlr said:Ahhh... That actually clears things up quite a bit. It makes sense that a "hydroscopic" acid would result in a "wetter" end result, or a less "precipitable" acetate due to the attached H20 molecules (I'm assuming I'm understanding this correctly).69ron said:'unbump'
In cooking, since they are just using the acid for tartness, it doesn’t much matter if you substitute tartaric acid for fumaric acid. But in chemistry, it can matter quite a lot.
The properties of fumaric acid are unique. It's one of the very few non-hygroscopic acids in existence. Tartaric acid, like most other acids, is hydroscopic, meaning it absorbs water from the air.
DMT tartrate is very hydroscopic and becomes a sticky goo pretty fast. The same with DMT citrate and DMT HCl.
DMT fumarate is a dry powder.
So if you want a dry powder, fumaric acid is your best option.
When it comes to a tech that uses precipitation, the acid used is often very important. For example, mescaline HCl will precipitate from xylene, but mescaline fumarate won’t. Also, DMT fumarate will precipitate from acetone easily, but DMT citrate has a hard time precipitating from acetone.
With that said, could the water be eventually evaped off, or is it permanently bound to the acid once the molecules attach? This question is more or less just trying to understand the chemistry of it all.
Thanks again for sharing your wisdome Lord Psychedelic Jesus!Thanks for the "unbump"!
Peace!
-idt