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- Merits
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yes it def looks like an emulsion
More lye/salt (and all the other FAQ recommendations) should get rid of it. Keep us posted
More lye/salt (and all the other FAQ recommendations) should get rid of it. Keep us posted
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nope, dont worry lye will not hurt dmt. There are enough stories of people pulling from months-old extraction (even years old?) and still being fine.
As for how much lye, well, as much as you need to break the emulsion. Dont shake next time if you did to mix. And yeah pure table salt (NaCl) without additives is great against emulsions too.
As for how much lye, well, as much as you need to break the emulsion. Dont shake next time if you did to mix. And yeah pure table salt (NaCl) without additives is great against emulsions too.
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how are you retrieving the alkaloids from the solvent ?
and yeah that will def get rid of emulsions, check the FAQ for more thorough explanation.
good luck!
and yeah that will def get rid of emulsions, check the FAQ for more thorough explanation.
good luck!
SomeoneWhoIsMe
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So I'm relegated to the nursery forum i see...
oh well maybe you kidz can help me out.
'Bout to try my first mesc extraction, thinkin I'll do it STB for a quicker extraction...This is my proposed tek:
Combine 1 pt dried cactus with .25 pt CaOH, wet with 3 pt water (thnx 69ron)
pull w/ xylene 'til cactus is exhausted
salt xylene w/ HCl 'til xylene is exhausted
evap HCl to yield cactus hash
clean hash with acetone to yield mescaline hydrochloride (thnx phlux)
So my questions:
ph, ph, ph? When I basify my cactus, what ph? I think I remember reading that I want to shoot for ph 12? Then when I salt my xylene, what ph is my HCl? How does ph 2 sound? And just for reference if I were to do acid/base what ph would I shoot for in my tea brews? Would ph 4 be good?
Also, wiki's tellin me the melting point of mesc is 183 C...is that the temp to avoid, or should I stay way lower than that? Is 100 C (boiling water) OK?
Hope someone can reply with swiftness and accuracy. Stoked to get started.
oh well maybe you kidz can help me out.
'Bout to try my first mesc extraction, thinkin I'll do it STB for a quicker extraction...This is my proposed tek:
Combine 1 pt dried cactus with .25 pt CaOH, wet with 3 pt water (thnx 69ron)
pull w/ xylene 'til cactus is exhausted
salt xylene w/ HCl 'til xylene is exhausted
evap HCl to yield cactus hash
clean hash with acetone to yield mescaline hydrochloride (thnx phlux)
So my questions:
ph, ph, ph? When I basify my cactus, what ph? I think I remember reading that I want to shoot for ph 12? Then when I salt my xylene, what ph is my HCl? How does ph 2 sound? And just for reference if I were to do acid/base what ph would I shoot for in my tea brews? Would ph 4 be good?
Also, wiki's tellin me the melting point of mesc is 183 C...is that the temp to avoid, or should I stay way lower than that? Is 100 C (boiling water) OK?
Hope someone can reply with swiftness and accuracy. Stoked to get started.
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regarding pH of salting, better not go so low.. 5-6 should be better, check this post:
as for basifying, 12-13 should be perfectly fine (dont have to worry, AFAIK mescaline is pretty stable to basic solutions. Just dont go too low pH for basifying because mescaline's pka is quite high, 9.56)
you can have tea at boiling or under-boiling temperatures when its acidified. Here's a couple of discussions regarding mesc and heat:
as for basifying, 12-13 should be perfectly fine (dont have to worry, AFAIK mescaline is pretty stable to basic solutions. Just dont go too low pH for basifying because mescaline's pka is quite high, 9.56)
you can have tea at boiling or under-boiling temperatures when its acidified. Here's a couple of discussions regarding mesc and heat:
SomeoneWhoIsMe
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One more question for my mesc xtrakshun...
It occured to me that I may be able to skip a step here:
Combine 1 pt dried cactus with .25 pt CaOH, wet with 3 pt water
pull w/ xylene 'til cactus is exhausted
salt xylene w/ HCl 'til xylene is exhausted
_evap HCl to yield cactus hash
clean hash with acetone to yield mescaline hydrochloride
Could I skip evaporating my HCl/mesc solution and just seperate the HCl from the xylene, add the acetone directly to the HCl/mescaline solution, mix, seperate, and evaporate the acetone? Or would my pH be too low from the HCl in solution for the acetone to work properly? Also could I freeze percipatate mescaline out of my acetone? I hope phlux sees this...
It occured to me that I may be able to skip a step here:
Combine 1 pt dried cactus with .25 pt CaOH, wet with 3 pt water
pull w/ xylene 'til cactus is exhausted
salt xylene w/ HCl 'til xylene is exhausted
_evap HCl to yield cactus hash
clean hash with acetone to yield mescaline hydrochloride
Could I skip evaporating my HCl/mesc solution and just seperate the HCl from the xylene, add the acetone directly to the HCl/mescaline solution, mix, seperate, and evaporate the acetone? Or would my pH be too low from the HCl in solution for the acetone to work properly? Also could I freeze percipatate mescaline out of my acetone? I hope phlux sees this...
- Merits
- 314,004
mixing acetone with the hcl solution will screw your extraction up, acetone will mix with the whole thing (and doesnt separate in layers), keeping your alkaloids trapped. And if you just put the whole thing to evap, what was the point of adding the acetone in the first place?
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Yes, it can.elru said:
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or you can just mix the acetate goo with sodium carb, dry it and pull with acetone/IPA 3x.. This will make sure its freebased.
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nope, no problem at all.. If its that dry already, maybe better add a bit of water when mixing with the sodium carb so that its a paste, to make sure it freebased the whole thing, and then let dry (and break up the chunks/powderize) before pulling
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No, not really, acetone is too good at dissolving freebases.elru said:
Any vagues estimations of how much NaOH is needed to get 300ml of the mimosa/water acid mixture to pH11 ? Also how should one mix NaOH ? Gram per 10ml, meaning 10g per 100ml or less/more ?
Basically what I'm saying if there are any dangers/disadvantages of using a very strong (10M, 40g/100ml) NaOH solution ? Aimed pH is 11.
Basically what I'm saying if there are any dangers/disadvantages of using a very strong (10M, 40g/100ml) NaOH solution ? Aimed pH is 11.
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unless you know exactly how much acid there was in the first place, its impossible to calculate beforehand how much NaOH you need to raise it to a certain pH. In any case if youre extracting DMT, why do you want it pH 11? Why not higher? There is no problem using more lye (except that youre using up more NaOH and therefore spending money...). Also with pH that low as pH 11 your yield will probably be very poor if you pull with naphtha. Better get it higher
I do know how much acid but theoretical calculations apply for water, not mimosa solution.
I want to do it at 11 since I believe higher pH is necessary, pulling more "unwanted" materil and resulting in a reduced potency (see Trickster's thread about that)
Extraction will be done DCM and I think we're throwing NaOH away with numbers like 100g or even 200g.
I'm just searching for an experience of someone so I can decide how strong (M) should the solution be.
I want to do it at 11 since I believe higher pH is necessary, pulling more "unwanted" materil and resulting in a reduced potency (see Trickster's thread about that)
Extraction will be done DCM and I think we're throwing NaOH away with numbers like 100g or even 200g.
I'm just searching for an experience of someone so I can decide how strong (M) should the solution be.
