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If you can get fumaric acid, salt the limonene with FASI or FASW and do the slow water crystallization as in BLAB. Good luck!
Hey guys - I have been following the BLAB to a tee but unfortunately got some brownish/red goo precipitating on the bottom of my FASI/Limo mix. To fix this I followed the BLAB and added 20ml water, mixed it, and then evaporated it. Now I have this after roughly 15 mins of evapping:
Very thick goo that I imagine will dry into a hard sheet. This is similar to what someone in the BLAB thread posted but I am unclear on what to do with it. I know you cannot tell much on sight alone, but does it look alright?
So after this sheet hardens, do I just break it up and scrape it off and that is my fumarate?
Sorry for the noob question, this is my first time. I'm going to run through this thread and see if this question has already been addressed as well. I've read a bit about the "yellow goo" which I think is what I have? But I wasn't using Naptha so I don't know if the rules change?
Very thick goo that I imagine will dry into a hard sheet. This is similar to what someone in the BLAB thread posted but I am unclear on what to do with it. I know you cannot tell much on sight alone, but does it look alright?
So after this sheet hardens, do I just break it up and scrape it off and that is my fumarate?
Sorry for the noob question, this is my first time. I'm going to run through this thread and see if this question has already been addressed as well. I've read a bit about the "yellow goo" which I think is what I have? But I wasn't using Naptha so I don't know if the rules change?
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Dont evaporate it in a metal container for starters, are you gonna start scrapping the metal together after its finished? I suggest you add a bit of hot water and let it evaporate in a glass container... scrape it up/let it dry as much as possible, hopefully it hardens up. If it never does harden up after spreading it around and letting it air dry for long, recrystallize it with acetone or IPA (just redissolve in minimal amount of hot IPA/acetone and stick in the freezer for a couple of days)
remember dont throw anything away until its all finished, your alkaloids are never lost if you dont discard things.
remember dont throw anything away until its all finished, your alkaloids are never lost if you dont discard things.
First off - Thanks man, I've been reading your posts throughout this thread and they've all been really helpful.endlessness said:
That stove only works with steel containers or I would've used glass. I scraped off the hardened layer and it actually turned out looking pretty good. The parts of the layer I couldn't get off I dissolved in warm water like you said and put that into a glass container to evaporate in my oven (should've used the oven in the first place).
Thanks again dude, my yield wasn't good, but I am just glad to have something to show for my work.
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Glad to be of help 
How comes the yield wasnt good? Are you finished with the extraction or still doing more pulls? If bark is good, you can likely just keep pulling and more will come off.. Also if you didnt add enough FASI to limo, maybe not all the alks crashed out of limo....
You can recrystallize that fumarate if you want.. I suggest you trying out recrystallization with half of the product, see what comes out, compare both and see if its worth it to recrystallize, how much yield is lost, how cleaner it looks, etc... Again, just remember not throw anything out (for example the acetone/IPA after freezing), because if yield is somehow bad you can always retrieve your stuff back
How comes the yield wasnt good? Are you finished with the extraction or still doing more pulls? If bark is good, you can likely just keep pulling and more will come off.. Also if you didnt add enough FASI to limo, maybe not all the alks crashed out of limo....
You can recrystallize that fumarate if you want.. I suggest you trying out recrystallization with half of the product, see what comes out, compare both and see if its worth it to recrystallize, how much yield is lost, how cleaner it looks, etc... Again, just remember not throw anything out (for example the acetone/IPA after freezing), because if yield is somehow bad you can always retrieve your stuff back
That was the culmination all my pulls, but with your advice I think I'll try for more - it is sometimes easy for me to forget that the good stuff is in there, it is just a matter of getting it out. I'll do a re-crystallization with a sample of what I've got and let you know how it goes.endlessness said:Glad to be of help
How comes the yield wasnt good? Are you finished with the extraction or still doing more pulls? If bark is good, you can likely just keep pulling and more will come off.. Also if you didnt add enough FASI to limo, maybe not all the alks crashed out of limo....
You can recrystallize that fumarate if you want.. I suggest you trying out recrystallization with half of the product, see what comes out, compare both and see if its worth it to recrystallize, how much yield is lost, how cleaner it looks, etc... Again, just remember not throw anything out (for example the acetone/IPA after freezing), because if yield is somehow bad you can always retrieve your stuff back
I'm guessing you're familiar enough with the chemistry of the extraction that you don't follow a specific tek?
OK SWIM has got some powdered mhrb and tried their first extraction ... not going well so far:
Any help would be greatly appreciated by SWIM.
Using Lazy man's guide at half measures (no defat)
250G MHRB
100g NaOH
1l water
Mixed and set aside for a few hours - BLACK and THICK
Added 125ml Naptha (Zippo Fuel)
Electric beater on low for 5 minutes (here was my mistake
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No layer and REAL thick so SWIM added another 500ml Basified water (50g NaOH)
Added another 125ml of Naptha - Stirring this time - no more vigorous mixing!!!!!!!:roll:
SWIM was able to pull off about 50ml of naptha off the top and evaporated this to a lump of orange goo about 3 rice grains big after scraping up.
SWIM said this smelt right so tried to smoke it ... SWIM says that it went very, very well but did feel a bit nauseous afterward.
SWIM now has pot in warm water trying to get separation and has got another 30ml but it is very orange:
SWIM is wondering if there's another way to get better separation with current batch?
Is the Freezing method better to get crystals?
Anything else?
Thanks
Craig
Any help would be greatly appreciated by SWIM.
Using Lazy man's guide at half measures (no defat)
250G MHRB
100g NaOH
1l water
Mixed and set aside for a few hours - BLACK and THICK
Added 125ml Naptha (Zippo Fuel)
Electric beater on low for 5 minutes (here was my mistake
)No layer and REAL thick so SWIM added another 500ml Basified water (50g NaOH)
Added another 125ml of Naptha - Stirring this time - no more vigorous mixing!!!!!!!:roll:
SWIM was able to pull off about 50ml of naptha off the top and evaporated this to a lump of orange goo about 3 rice grains big after scraping up.
SWIM said this smelt right so tried to smoke it ... SWIM says that it went very, very well but did feel a bit nauseous afterward.
SWIM now has pot in warm water trying to get separation and has got another 30ml but it is very orange:
SWIM is wondering if there's another way to get better separation with current batch?
Is the Freezing method better to get crystals?
Anything else?
Thanks
Craig
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OK so SWIM continued and tried:
15g NaCl in a hot bath .... no difference
200ml warm Shellite stir - got 130ml pull evap'd to 35ml and freeze precip (brown stuff in the bottom of jar)
Test PH 12.2 => added 75g NaOH to 750ml water and added to mix
PH 13.5
200ml Cold shellite stirred 15mins ... evap'd to 25% and Freeze precip (brown again)
500ml warm Shellite, stirred 5 mins, pulled 460ml dark orange, evap'd to 25% and FP (See Picture)
500ml cold shellite, stirred 5 mins, pulled 400ml of near colourless. completely evap'd to oily creamy stuff that didn't smell right.
Will Re-Basify and SWIM try again on monday .....
Is this brown stuff that SWIm's looking for? Doesn't look very crystaline. If SWIM gets some out and get it to room temp it melts to oily sludge that doesn't smell right. SWIM said that his mix still smells more like DMT that this sludge.
SWIM is wondering what he's doing wrong?
15g NaCl in a hot bath .... no difference
200ml warm Shellite stir - got 130ml pull evap'd to 35ml and freeze precip (brown stuff in the bottom of jar)
Test PH 12.2 => added 75g NaOH to 750ml water and added to mix
PH 13.5
200ml Cold shellite stirred 15mins ... evap'd to 25% and Freeze precip (brown again)
500ml warm Shellite, stirred 5 mins, pulled 460ml dark orange, evap'd to 25% and FP (See Picture)
500ml cold shellite, stirred 5 mins, pulled 400ml of near colourless. completely evap'd to oily creamy stuff that didn't smell right.
Will Re-Basify and SWIM try again on monday .....
Is this brown stuff that SWIm's looking for? Doesn't look very crystaline. If SWIM gets some out and get it to room temp it melts to oily sludge that doesn't smell right. SWIM said that his mix still smells more like DMT that this sludge.
SWIM is wondering what he's doing wrong?
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I think you're pulling some of the basified liquid together, maybe its suspended in very small droplets that you dont notice and once its frozen it accumulates in one part and forms this sludge. That could have to do with prepowdered bark+mixing/shaking too strongly, hard to say.
In any case try doing a sodium carbonate wash before freezing. Otherwise you should make several pulls (or put together the stuff you already pulled), combine them, then salt them out with vinegar 2 or 3x, discard the solvent, basify that vinegar and extract the basified vinegar with fresh solvent, and then into the freezer
good luck
In any case try doing a sodium carbonate wash before freezing. Otherwise you should make several pulls (or put together the stuff you already pulled), combine them, then salt them out with vinegar 2 or 3x, discard the solvent, basify that vinegar and extract the basified vinegar with fresh solvent, and then into the freezer
good luck
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Its very forgiving step, no need for accuracy. Just throw a pinch of sodium carb, like maybe, say, half a teaspoon, in for example 100ml water and it will be fine.
SWIM says he's going insane.
From his freeze precip he got a very small amount of spice (2 x half toke on vapour genie) but those white crystals were (according to SWIM) WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY better than anything he'd had previously even at such small doses. Second dose melted through the screens before he got to have a real go 
Anyway I digress ....
Subsequent freeze or evap precip pulls produce nothing.
SWIM can't get his PH up. He ran out of room and so split the batch in 2. There was approximately 3.5 litres of black goo that was at PH 11.5 (SWIM assumed that this is why he's getting nothing in the naptha). So he added 150g of lye (no water) and re tested PH, then 200g and another 200g. He has a crap PH meter that doesn't take in to account temperature (new one on order) so he lets it cool (gets quite warm/hot) as it dissolves.
Still can't get it above PH 12.5 ..... SWIM just went to try and test the solution and can't get the meter below 9 in running water ... it got binned.
Until the new meter comes, surely my PH is high enough? 600 ml warm(boiling) naptha, stir for 5 mins, yet another clear pull. He will try and freeze precip this but is not hopeful.
Perhaps I suggest to SWIM to abort and try again (with 50g MHRB this time)
From his freeze precip he got a very small amount of spice (2 x half toke on vapour genie) but those white crystals were (according to SWIM) WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY better than anything he'd had previously
even at such small doses. Second dose melted through the screens before he got to have a real go Anyway I digress ....
Subsequent freeze or evap precip pulls produce nothing.
SWIM can't get his PH up. He ran out of room and so split the batch in 2. There was approximately 3.5 litres of black goo that was at PH 11.5 (SWIM assumed that this is why he's getting nothing in the naptha). So he added 150g of lye (no water) and re tested PH, then 200g and another 200g. He has a crap PH meter that doesn't take in to account temperature (new one on order) so he lets it cool (gets quite warm/hot) as it dissolves.
Still can't get it above PH 12.5 ..... SWIM just went to try and test the solution and can't get the meter below 9 in running water ... it got binned.
Until the new meter comes, surely my PH is high enough? 600 ml warm(boiling) naptha, stir for 5 mins, yet another clear pull. He will try and freeze precip this but is not hopeful.
Perhaps I suggest to SWIM to abort and try again (with 50g MHRB this time)
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wtf 600ml naphtha?! thats waaaaay too much naphtha, thats why you are not getting anything. Read the FAQ regarding pre-evaporation and ideal size of pulls.. They are most likely just not saturated enough for freezing to work
You're gonna have to evaporate that down to, say, 50-100ml which is a big waste Next time make smaller pulls instead, which can be freeze-precipitated directly
You're gonna have to evaporate that down to, say, 50-100ml which is a big waste
Next time make smaller pulls instead, which can be freeze-precipitated directly
Me and my crew were following the marsofold tek.
"Polar Extraction: Premix in an empty 1-Gallon plastic jug: 1-Quart White Vinegar
& 3-Quarts Water. Put the ground up Mimosa in a 3-Liter crockpot, then fill it
with the water-vinegar solution. Stir well and turn it on "high". After 2 hours,
remove the crockpot ceramic liner, hold the lid on slightly offset, and pour off
most of the liquid into a 1-gallon wide-mouthed glass or stainless container.
Add the remaining water-vinegar solution to the crockpot again. Stir well and
turn it on "high". After 2 hours, remove the crockpot ceramic liner, hold the
lid on slightly offset, and pour off all of the liquid into the same container
again"
Well after 30 mins the water boiled into the air
"Polar Extraction: Premix in an empty 1-Gallon plastic jug: 1-Quart White Vinegar
& 3-Quarts Water. Put the ground up Mimosa in a 3-Liter crockpot, then fill it
with the water-vinegar solution. Stir well and turn it on "high". After 2 hours,
remove the crockpot ceramic liner, hold the lid on slightly offset, and pour off
most of the liquid into a 1-gallon wide-mouthed glass or stainless container.
Add the remaining water-vinegar solution to the crockpot again. Stir well and
turn it on "high". After 2 hours, remove the crockpot ceramic liner, hold the
lid on slightly offset, and pour off all of the liquid into the same container
again"
Well after 30 mins the water boiled into the air
endlessness said:
Yeah, SWIM was trying anything to get something out. SWIM evap'd this right down and tried freezing ... got nothing and evap'd it all the way ... still nothing.
The problem seems to be the PH.
Too much NaOH? Is that possible? Adding water is making the PH rise?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! And it reacts and it gets hotter.
Cheap PH meter is not helping SWIM's cause either. New one on the way ......
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what do you mean you got nothing when you evaped all the way? not even an oil (that seems little/nothing but is actually misleading since theres plenty of dmt, you need to redissolve in minimal solvent and freeze)?
No you cannot have too much NaOH.... Im sure you have enough.
No you cannot have too much NaOH.... Im sure you have enough.
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Hi Dmt-Nexus!
SWIM plans on doing his first extract next week using STB. Part of the process is the freeze/percip and everything SWIM has read says that the freezer needs to be set to the lowest temperature, cold enough to freeze ice cream solid. He has no ice cream or thermometer and his freezer doesn't have an adjustable setting. Is there any other way to know if it's cold enough to freeze/percip? Obviously a solution would be to go buy some ice cream, but even if it didn't freeze solid, would it still work for freeze percip?
Thanks!
SWIM plans on doing his first extract next week using STB. Part of the process is the freeze/percip and everything SWIM has read says that the freezer needs to be set to the lowest temperature, cold enough to freeze ice cream solid. He has no ice cream or thermometer and his freezer doesn't have an adjustable setting. Is there any other way to know if it's cold enough to freeze/percip? Obviously a solution would be to go buy some ice cream, but even if it didn't freeze solid, would it still work for freeze percip?
Thanks!
^^sure it will work, no need to go and get ice cream, unless you gonna eat it.
When you have collected your pulls, blow on to the naptha, if it clouds when blown on then its ready for freeze precip, if it doesn't cloud evap it till it clouds when blown on and then freeze.
When you have collected your pulls, blow on to the naptha, if it clouds when blown on then its ready for freeze precip, if it doesn't cloud evap it till it clouds when blown on and then freeze.
