official extraction help thread

[psilocybin]

Any questions or problems you may run into during an extraction can be asked to get other members input in this thread.

 

[Mortis Nuntius]

The DMT salts have a much higher boiling point than the freebase, right? Hope SWIM didn't vaporize anything too early...

 

[PrimalWisdom]

Top o the morning chaps.

Sorry, but yet another WALL OF TEXT INCOMING.

So I did my first extraction last night, STB tek, as I posted above.

Basically 750ml Water, 100 grams bark, 100 grams lye (I know its excessive but I heard a 1:1 ratio is cool)
added lye to water, waited for it to go clear (it was still warmish) added MHRB shook like a mofo, left for an hour and a bit. then added 100ml's naptha swirled for maybe a minute left for 15 mins and pulled.

Did everything by the book, got my first pull evapped and was left with minimal, I mean seriously minimal yield) roughly 10-20mg's it was basically a clear waxy plastic layer (I assume was DMT as its a pretty unique smell hey) nayway i smeered, scraped and re-smeered until it went a pinky/grey/clay colour similar to the freebase DMT pic on the DMT handbook.

I did another pull and evapped, was left with around 70-100mg's in total after the 2 pulls.
I believe I didn't swirl the naptha in the jar for long enough though so I did another pull. and swirled for around 5 minutes left it for about 15 minutes and pulled. I put this in a martini glass and blew on the top to see if any DMT ghosting occured and the naptha went very milky, I'm talking litchi juice milky here. I assume thats a bunch of DMT present right? anyway i cling wrapped it and pooped in the freezer.

anyway I did another longer pull and put it with the other 100ml's of milky naptha, making it 200ml's.

I know I should have probably evapped a bit but i stuck it in the freezer and will check on it tonight. if nothing is there will warm it and add it to he black goo again, evap and freeze again.

I just wanted to check if this is all good? i.e. very milky naptha, little to no yield off 1st 2 pulls? (I know I probably didn't swirl long enough before pulling)

I did try 1/2 of the 70-100mg's and HOLY GOD!!! hows that body load??? Kinda feels like your soul leaving your body or something, and the CEV's are utterly breathtaking, I didn't get any OEV's but I was toking quite leisurely

Anyway yeah just looking for pointers and tips on getting a better yield here. I will be gutted if I don't get any crystals out of the 200ml's freeze precipping atm.

Also I did use a hairdryer to evap some of the 1st bit of naptha but when I smelled that sickly sweet awesomness that is DMT I stopped for fear of vaporising it.

Any tips,, guidance etc is very much appreciated.

I did read the FAQ and a myriad of other threads and still feel I don't it all.

Peace, Love, Light & DMT!!!
PW

 

[endlessness]

Mortis Nuntius, yes all dmt salts I know can be safely boiled in acqueous solution without any loss of alks


PrimalWisdom, make more cycles of mix/letting stand before separating each pull, maybe smaller pulls if you can separate them well, otherwise maybe evap half before freezing (or just try freezing as is, and if not much comes out, evap half and freeze again, and/or re-use the naphtha)

 

[Mortis Nuntius]

Do you know if Gramine turns into a salt in the acid phase of the A/B extraction? Perhaps the Naphtha wash removed it since Gramine is insoluble in water?

 

[endlessness]

Im pretty sure gramine does turn into a salt in the acid phase. I think one chance of possibly removing gramine is doing naphtha re-x on the freebase. Due to its polarity it could be gramine gets left behind, while dmt dissolves in naphtha. This is all theory though and we need to do this test and get it analyzed to be sure. I would do it a couple of times.

If you do bioassay any product that might have gramine please start with ridiculously small doses and raise slowly the dosage, being attentive to different unwanted side effects

 

[Mortis Nuntius]

Gramine has a boiling point of 294C and SWIM has a MacGyver vape built from a digital, 1C accuracy soldering station. 150C is as low as it goes, but that should be ideal for safe use even if gramine is present. I don't intend to knowingly partake of any toxins.

SWIM will probably do a naphtha extraction first, followed by a xylene extraction. Do you know if calcium hydroxide can be reused? Could SWIM put the dried lime/alk in the vape directly?

 

[mb123456]

I had a friend who did an A/B extraction using sodium carbonate and naptha. After doing this his yields were extremely low. He researched and found out that you were not suppose to use the two together. Could he just add lye to the mixture with sodium carbonate already in it and repull with naptha or would he have to use a different solvent and leave it sodium carbonate.

 

[endlessness]

yes you can just add lye.. Its possible it will take a bit of stirring to dissolve properly because of all the sodium carb and other stuff in solution but just mix well and you should be fine Report back if it worked good

 

[Tropical]

Can someone help identify this creamy stuff. 50g bark and doing straight toluene. this is from 400ml solvent in a pan evaporating. this stuff floats on top, while all the "reds" sink down.

This was not filtered, just as basic as can be. soak powdered bark in toluene overnight and carefully pour off into pan. When dry there is zero scent aside from a mild bark smell.

EDIT: in chat someone mentioned "lye soup", so i should restate there are only 2 ingredients in this stuff: bark and toluene. nothing else added, not even lye.

 

[Carrierwave]

Bark and toulene? You removed the fat from the bark with your solvent. Therefore I have to say it's probably fat. Looks buttery enough to me.

 

[Tropical]

great thanks for the input. That would make sense. this is part of a lot of playing. the goal is not dmt extraction, right now just seeing what solvent pulls what as is.

One Q though if its fats/oils...would they normal dry? from 450ml to bone dry took about 6 hours under a fan (room temp is about 35C). Would the fats dry up so easily?

couple pics of the dried product

 

[headshot]

Hello Everyone!
First post on these forums, boy am I glad I found this place
To jump right into things, last week I attempted my first SB extraction on powdered mhrb. I basically used Lazyman's tek, but instead of pure vm&p Naptha (which they didn't carry at Ace, the dude who worked there said it was banned in Socal) I got http://www.wmbarr.com/ProductFiles/1657 KS Industrial Maintenance Coating Thinner MSDS.pdf .
Followed the tek, finished the "naptha" pulls then evaporated 50%, placed it into a mason jar and let it freeze for for about 30 hours. I then poured the solution through a coffee filter, total yield .0 grams
What went wrong?? Was there something in my solvent that screwed up my extraction? I had to leave town after this little experiment so my soaked mhrb has just been sitting in jars, is it ruined? Someone please help

 

[mb123456]

My friend wanted to thank you for your help endlessness. He added the lye and it worked great.

 

[lohes]

Hello Everyone!
First post on these forums, boy am I glad I found this place
To jump right into things, last week I attempted my first SB extraction on powdered mhrb. I basically used Lazyman's tek, but instead of pure vm&p Naptha (which they didn't carry at Ace, the dude who worked there said it was banned in Socal) I got http://www.wmbarr.com/ProductFiles/1657 KS Industrial Maintenance Coating Thinner MSDS.pdf .
Followed the tek, finished the "naptha" pulls then evaporated 50%, placed it into a mason jar and let it freeze for for about 30 hours. I then poured the solution through a coffee filter, total yield .0 grams
What went wrong?? Was there something in my solvent that screwed up my extraction? I had to leave town after this little experiment so my soaked mhrb has just been sitting in jars, is it ruined? Someone please help

How cold is the freezer? It might not have been cold enough. If the crystals form, and you take the jar out and leave it for too long, letting it heat up, the crystals will re-disolve, it might've been that.

 

[endlessness]

Hello Everyone!
First post on these forums, boy am I glad I found this place
To jump right into things, last week I attempted my first SB extraction on powdered mhrb. I basically used Lazyman's tek, but instead of pure vm&p Naptha (which they didn't carry at Ace, the dude who worked there said it was banned in Socal) I got http://www.wmbarr.com/ProductFiles/1657 KS Industrial Maintenance Coating Thinner MSDS.pdf .
Followed the tek, finished the "naptha" pulls then evaporated 50%, placed it into a mason jar and let it freeze for for about 30 hours. I then poured the solution through a coffee filter, total yield .0 grams
What went wrong?? Was there something in my solvent that screwed up my extraction? I had to leave town after this little experiment so my soaked mhrb has just been sitting in jars, is it ruined? Someone please help

where is the mimosa from, are you sure its good? How much mimosa, how many pulls did you do and how big where the pulls? Was there anything in the solvent, crystals or cloudy, when you took it out of the freezer, or nothing at all?

Check the FAQ questions 4.16 and 4.17

Good luck

 

[qajak]

Hi, my first post here.
I've got little question about LSA->LSH. On wiki there's info that, LSH is mostly obtained from hydrolize of LSA.
So is it possible to make such thing with somthing as fragile as LSA:

Don't mind subs, they're in polish.

 

[wagal5689258]

Hello Everyone!
First post on these forums, boy am I glad I found this place
To jump right into things, last week I attempted my first SB extraction on powdered mhrb. I basically used Lazyman's tek, but instead of pure vm&p Naptha (which they didn't carry at Ace, the dude who worked there said it was banned in Socal) I got http://www.wmbarr.com/ProductFiles/1657 KS Industrial Maintenance Coating Thinner MSDS.pdf .
Followed the tek, finished the "naptha" pulls then evaporated 50%, placed it into a mason jar and let it freeze for for about 30 hours. I then poured the solution through a coffee filter, total yield .0 grams
What went wrong?? Was there something in my solvent that screwed up my extraction? I had to leave town after this little experiment so my soaked mhrb has just been sitting in jars, is it ruined? Someone please help

From the info provided, my best guess would be either your bark is shit or your solvent is not good. I looked at the msds and it looks like theres all kinds of stuff in you solvent. I would try and find a better solvent, if you cant find (or its not legal/ w/e) naphtha, look for DCM or heptane (bestine rubber cement remover) for a NPS. Try evaporating all your pulled solvent to see if there actually is any dmt in it.

 

[wtfMongoloids]

This may sound foolish but...

During Noman's tek do I close the pint jars with naptha when I place them in the freezer or do I keep them open?

 

[endlessness]

definitely close

 

[Shaolin]

I would try and find a better solvent, if you cant find (or its not legal/ w/e) naphtha, look for DCM or heptane (bestine rubber cement remover) for a NPS.

Have you had any personal experience with DCM ? The majority of members who have used it reported very small yield, compared to other solvents like naptha or limonene.