official extraction help thread

[psilocybin]

Any questions or problems you may run into during an extraction can be asked to get other members input in this thread.

 

[_Aurelias]

If you have a solvent that can freeze precip you should freeze precip. It's really not much more difficult, if at all.
not to mention, less environmental impact and you can reuse the solvent for less financial impact.
To more directly answer you question, i am not aware of any benefits to evap over freeze precip

thanks

 

[ChiefShroom]

What method should I use for extraction on my first go? What thread can I be referred to? Preferably for highest yield and least amount of possible hassles

 

[Icon]

Oh yeah, if I am doing an stb and not worrying about trying to get crystals, (just trying to get some kind of yield i.e goo) would it be better to evap instead of freeze precip?

If you're worried about not getting a good yield with freeze precip, it could be from using too much solvent. You want to use a relatively small amount of solvent so that it's saturated before attempting freeze precipitation. DMT's solubility depends on the temperature of the solvent. People warm up their soup before pulls to maximize the amount of DMT that goes in, leading to more that precipitates when cooled down. I'd bet one of the most common issues, with small extractions under 100g of bark, is using too much solvent.

Here's solubility data for DMT in naphtha:

• Naphtha (20 °C, C6-C7) 2,93 g in 100 ml
• Naphtha in the freezer (-20 °C, C6-C7) 109 mg in 100 ml

If you extract from 80g of MHRB, you can expect there to be at least 1% DMT in there, so 800mg. You're unlikely to pull the entire amount in one pull though, so you might expect 400mg from the first pull on 80g of bark.

You should use the amount of naphtha that would be saturated at room temp.

2.93g / 0.4g = 7.352
100ml / 7.352 = 13.5ml

Don't use more than 13.5ml of naphtha per pull on an 80g batch of MHRB. It's okay to use even less to stay on the safe side, 10ml each pull should ensure something freeze precipitates out.

 

[Icon]

What method should I use for extraction on my first go? What thread can I be referred to? Preferably for highest yield and least amount of possible hassles

The Fluffy White Funfest

 

[_Aurelias]

If you're worried about not getting a good yield with freeze precip, it could be from using too much solvent. You want to use a relatively small amount of solvent so that it's saturated before attempting freeze precipitation. DMT's solubility depends on the temperature of the solvent. People warm up their soup before pulls to maximize the amount of DMT that goes in, leading to more that precipitates when cooled down. I'd bet one of the most common issues, with small extractions under 100g of bark, is using too much solvent.

Here's solubility data for DMT in naphtha:

• Naphtha (20 °C, C6-C7) 2,93 g in 100 ml
• Naphtha in the freezer (-20 °C, C6-C7) 109 mg in 100 ml

If you extract from 80g of MHRB, you can expect there to be at least 1% DMT in there, so 800mg. You're unlikely to pull the entire amount in one pull though, so you might expect 400mg from the first pull on 80g of bark.

You should use the amount of naphtha that would be saturated at room temp.

2.93g / 0.4g = 7.352
100ml / 7.352 = 13.5ml

Don't use more than 13.5ml of naphtha per pull on an 80g batch of MHRB. It's okay to use even less to stay on the safe side, 10ml each pull should ensure something freeze precipitates out.

thanks for the proper data about how much naptha can carry at different temperatures

 

[Transform]

Here's the thread with the data:

Post in thread 'Chemical Guide to classic Psychedelics (DMT, 5-MeO-", Mescaline, Harmalas, Salvinorin A, ...)'

Jan 12, 2021

DMT

Solubility:

boiling Naphtha (80 °C, C6-C7, 60-80 °C)
"infinite"
(the DMT will melt and just create a homogeneous liquid-liquid solution. In the end it may even be a solution of Naphtha in DMT)
Example: In just 5 ml of boiling Naphtha you could easily add 4 g of DMT, while only doubling the initial volume. No precipitation would ever show up.

Naphtha (20 °C, C6-C7, 60-80 °C)
29,3 g in 1 L
2,93 g in 100 ml

Naphtha in the freezer (-20 °C, C6-C7, 60-80 °C)
1,09 g in 1 L...​

• Brennendes Wasser

You might find this useful too:

Thread 'Dont Heat Naphtha, Heat your Soup!'

May 31, 2020

A lot of people or even TEKs recommend heating Naphtha prior to applying it to an extraction. Heat increases solubility of DMT in Naphtha by far and this will accelerate the migration of DMT into the Naphtha.

Sounds logically and as we think *Naphtha has to get hot for extraction* one would conclude to simply heat the Naphtha, thus achieving this effect.

But in reality heating the Naphtha is like heating nothing at all. The reason comes in physical chemistry: All matter has a heat capacity that defines how much heat is needed to be transfered into the object to raise its temperature...

• Brennendes Wasser
• Replies: 17
• Forum: Advanced/Enhanced Chemistry

 

[DK_one]

Hey Hellas and good morning world, no, seriously, I need help again. I made MHRB STB, washed it with water, precipitated it in the freezer, and recrystallized it in the glass shown in the picture. I scraped the crystals that formed in the glass with a spatula, and they're in the container in the first picture. Question: From removing the crystals, there are now these residues in the recrystallization glass, like a white gunk. They weren't there before, so they must have been caused by pressure and pushing. Are these residues caused by pushing, pressure, etc., and are they normal, or should they not be there at all? Or, conversely, are these NaOH impurities, which would really shock me.

 

[bezevo]

likley all nnDMT readup on polimorphic nature of dmt ..... or i'm wrong ha

 

[redbird]

Hey Hellas and good morning world, no, seriously, I need help again. I made MHRB STB, washed it with water, precipitated it in the freezer, and recrystallized it in the glass shown in the picture. I scraped the crystals that formed in the glass with a spatula, and they're in the container in the first picture. Question: From removing the crystals, there are now these residues in the recrystallization glass, like a white gunk. They weren't there before, so they must have been caused by pressure and pushing. Are these residues caused by pushing, pressure, etc., and are they normal, or should they not be there at all? Or, conversely, are these NaOH impurities, which would really shock me.

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That's all DMT residue
Rinse with a small amount of everclear and evaporate on a plate you can more easily scrape off of. If you cant get everclear where you are, you can use IPA or Acetone.

 

[DK_one]

Ok thanks!

More about the worries the water wash failed....
But ya, will try to recrystall it.

In the container is a bit polymered yellow, since I work with 100/120 nps.
But will try the 40/60 again next time, again.