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~Phalaris = The Way Of The Future~

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wow nexus, amazing thread, a successful bio-assay has been done on mycotopia, of 16mg extracted from phalaris

I HAVE to bump this thread, more work needs to be done :)

thanks to all you botanists and scientific minds!!!

happy travels
 
Is there a cheap in-a-kitchen style way of doing column chromatography? If there is then DMT and gramine could be seperated that way, if not would naphtha pulls not be enough to pull the DMT and leave the gramine? What about using heptane to re-x the DMT and gramine mix? What about freeze precipitation on the DMT and gramine mix? In freeze precipitation which alkaloid would precipitate first, DMT or gramine? If gramine precipitated first the gramine could be thrown out and the solvent could be kept, if the DMT precipitated first the solvent could be thrown out at the DMT could be kept.
 
I thought gramine was insoluble in water? I wonder though about acidic water..

Also do we know if gramine is soluble in limonene?..I would rather not touch naptha as I havent used it in a long time..

There is so much we dont know. I would like to see a list of all the solvents gramine is soluble in compared to what DMT is soluble in.
 
Phalaris arundinacea

Frequent around lowland pools, ditches and marshy areas.

Stems to 200 cm high. Spikelets 5-6 mm long.

ID: Ligule 6-16 mm long. Spikelets one-flowered, the flower at least 1 mm shorter than both glumes (actually spikelet also contains 1 or 2 very small sterile florets which are hard to see). No awns. Glumes hairless, less than twice as long as broad, c 5-6 mm long.

Other features: Reed-like in habit, but the true Reed has many-flowered spikelets and a fringe of hairs for a ligule.
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One large sized garbage bag full of fresh phalaris arundinacea

dried and blended

makes

786 grams of starting material



you take the wet road and I'll take the dry road... 😉
 
Awsome! Please tell how it comes out you two.
From my earlier atemps I can say this; Beware the fat! I did an A/B on some new growth (first I clipped the leaves and then I came back five days latter and clipped the new growth. this was to minimize the number of diffrent alkaliods in the grass). First I salted with vinegar. Then I defatted with naphtha. Next I basified. I think I used lime...maybe it was lye, not sure.
Well, then I tried my first pull with naphtha and to my suprise, and dismay, a bunch of fat came up again! Thats after I had already pulled alot of fat in the defating step.
All I ever managed to get on that experiment was a lot of salty looking white crystals that didn't melt or burn...probably minerals the plant uses.
 
YTXian said:
I basified. I think I used lime...maybe it was lye, not sure.
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Lime's a pretty far cry from lye and really should never be used in a traditional A/B. That being said, seems like a limtek would be the best approach for minimizing the need to de-fat, as in 69ron's cactus tek.

Also, I'm not sure that naphtha is the best solvent to use for de-fat, either. Usually xylene or toluene are preferred.
 
here are results of my first acid salting on those big bags o grass using limtek.

2.26 grams of dirty full spectrum phalaris arundinacea fumerates


These are only the very preliminary results of part one of a two part tek I'm putting together.

The full tek (or at least a very detailed documentation of failure) will be released soon. :D
 
I would wait for the bioassay before you all get too excited. I have ended up with stuff more than once that looked exactly like oxides from mimosa with arundinacea..but the experience was nothing like mimosa at all..there was obvious effects that were unpleasant from other alkaloids, and very little of the tryptamine feeling.
 
amor_fati said:
Right on, dreamer! Any idea how much fumaric acid went into that?
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I didn't measure everything when making the fasw because those numbers can be so variable I just went with the old standby add till no moar dissolves.

but for a guestimate somewhere between 15-30 grams of fumeric acid were added to somewhere between 800-1000ml of distilled water, this was split up into two pulls of the solvent jars giving a rough guestimate of 8-15 grams fumeric acid in 400-500ml water for this first pull.

everything will be thoroughly explained in the tek, just be patient ;)
 
fractal enchantment said:
I would wait for the bioassay before you all get too excited. I have ended up with stuff more than once that looked exactly like oxides from mimosa with arundinacea..but the experience was nothing like mimosa at all..there was obvious effects that were unpleasant from other alkaloids, and very little of the tryptamine feeling.
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^ this

yes those are pretty xtals from phalaris, but who knows what is in those xtals...
part two with the attempt to separate the nn from the rest of the alks (assuming there is any nn in there at all) is gonna be what makes or breaks this tek.
 
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