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drotherside

drotherside

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My neighbor had taken 150mg of Moclobemide followed by 200mg of DMT freebase in a capsule with holes poked in it 45 minutes later. He said that he could definitely feel the DMT and had some subtle CEVs and absolutely no OEVs. He was wondering what he needs to do in order to have the OEVs similar to that of smoking DMT.

Thanks.
 
SWIM was in the same boat, having a huge tolerance to oral DMT and despite the trip being amazing 250-300mg is A LOT of DMT to use.

SWIM has been mucking around with sublingual DMT and has successfully done it twice. Purely the DMT burns pretty damn bad, but he has used it partially dissolved in oil and it reduces the burn significantly.
After 5 minutes the burn is pretty much not noticeable

He tried first time 40mg sublingual 45 minutes after 2g oral syrian rue brew. Effects were questionable and mild so he tried and additional 80mg (SWIM has a bad habit of "going for broke" if the first dose doesn't work) anyway it was swished around for 15 minutes (as was the first) and SPAT OUT
That 120 put SWIM almost half-way to hyperspace. The visuals were not super intense, but the mental effects were huge. SWIM won't go too much into the details but it was very wavy and tapered off after about 90-120 minutes. He was too messed up for detailed notes.

Note that that same 120mg orally would piss off SWIM's stomach and MAYBE give some subtly CEVs, definitely no OEVs, definitely nowhere near "intense"

SWIM since tried 70mg in the same manner swished for 15 minutes, 45 minutes after oral 2g rue brew. SWIM got a pleasent mild trip just on the verge of OEV with some very enjoyable CEV's.

He currently has 125mg which he heated in a water bath and is fully dissolved in oil, but he is saving it for when the THH or Harmalol arrive.

SWIM highly recommends trying sublingual w/ oil (canola) start low, maybe 40 just to make sure the gel cap didn't just fail on the oral try.

PS: How did SWIM get the moclobemide? SWIM is curious to try it.
 
q21q21 said:
SWIM was in the same boat, having a huge tolerance to oral DMT and despite the trip being amazing 250-300mg is A LOT of DMT to use.

SWIM has been mucking around with sublingual DMT and has successfully done it twice. Purely the DMT burns pretty damn bad, but he has used it partially dissolved in oil and it reduces the burn significantly.
After 5 minutes the burn is pretty much not noticeable

He tried first time 40mg sublingual 45 minutes after 2g oral syrian rue brew. Effects were questionable and mild so he tried and additional 80mg swished around for 15 minutes (as was the first)
That 120 put SWIM almost half-way to hyperspace. The visuals were not super intense, but the mental effects were huge. SWIM won't go too much into the details but it was very wavy and tapered off after about 60-90 minutes. He was too messed up for detailed notes.

Note that that same 120mg orally would piss off SWIM's stomach and MAYBE give some subtly CEVs, definitely no OEVs, definitely nowhere near "intense"

SWIM since tried 70mg in the same manner swished for 15 minutes, 45 minutes after oral 2g rue brew. SWIM got a pleasent mild trip just on the verge of OEV with some very enjoyable CEV's.

He currently has 125mg which he heated in a water bath and is fully dissolved in oil, but he is saving it for when the THH or Harmalol arrive.

SWIM highly recommends trying sublingual w/ oil (canola) start low, maybe 40 just to make sure the gel cap didn't just fail on the oral try.

PS: How did SWIM get the moclobemide? SWIM is curious to try it.
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I used the Google to find a foreign pharmacy.

How hot was the water bath? I assume it can't be above 140F or the DMT would evaporate.

I'm wondering if the Harmine/Harmaline/THH is what helps to cause the OEVs. It's definitely possible that Moclobemide doesn't react with the DMT in the same manner. However, what my neighbor had told me is exactly like SWIY's "trip" in that my neighbor was too messed up to remember much detail. He mainly mentioned his emotions being tampered with and being pretty "messed up."
 
it was just hot tap water.

But bear in mind this is the method that HAS NOT been tested yet. Only to room temp/partially dissolved has been tested

SWIM noticed he didn't mention that the DMT should be SPAT OUT after 15 minutes unless SWIY wants aching nausea.

But on that note SWIM really believes that freebase DMT has a boiling point >212F/100C because in his ridiculously early days he made a pipe with some water with the DMT and the DMT would not vaporize AT ALL until all the water was gone.
 
q21q21 said:
it was just hot tap water.

But bear in mind this is the method that HAS NOT been tested yet. Only to room temp/partially dissolved has been tested

SWIM noticed he didn't mention that the DMT should be SPAT OUT after 15 minutes unless SWIY wants aching nausea.

But on that note SWIM really believes that freebase DMT has a boiling point >212F/100C because in his ridiculously early days he made a pipe with some water with the DMT and the DMT would not vaporize AT ALL until all the water was gone.
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On one of Erowid's extraction guides it mentions that the oral dose is 350mg. However it also says the dosage for smoking is 60-100mg; which is a bit on the high side. My neighbor's planning on trying again in the next few days. I'll tell him to work his way up to 300-350mg and to let me know what happens. It's still a considerable amount of spice - but it does last much longer than smoking it. I'll be sure to let you know if he had any OEVs once he does it.

He had said the nausea with the Harmalas was more intense than the nausea with the Moclobemide. He only puked once with the Moclobemide as the MAOi. He also said it didn't seem to have any effects on its own - whereas the Harmalas made him feel sluggish.
 
drotherside said:
On one of Erowid's extraction guides it mentions that the oral dose is 350mg. However it also says the dosage for smoking is 60-100mg; which is a bit on the high side. My neighbor's planning on trying again in the next few days. I'll tell him to work his way up to 300-350mg and to let me know what happens. It's still a considerable amount of spice - but it does last much longer than smoking it. I'll be sure to let you know if he had any OEVs once he does it.

He had said the nausea with the Harmalas was more intense than the nausea with the Moclobemide. He only puked once with the Moclobemide as the MAOi. He also said it didn't seem to have any effects on its own - whereas the Harmalas made him feel sluggish.
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SWIM's not going to try sublingual?? the effectiveness is 2-3x as much and NO NAUSEA....
 
q21q21 said:
SWIM's not going to try sublingual?? the effectiveness is 2-3x as much and NO NAUSEA....
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I told my neighbor about the sublingual administration. He said he'd try it sublingually before trying to drop 350mg down the hatch. I'll let you know how much he uses and what the effects are once he tries it in the next few days.
 
My neighbor texted me and said that he had chickened out from doing it sublingually because I had told him I read that it may burn. He instead dropped 150mg of Moclobemide, followed by 350mg of freebase (in capsules with holes poked in them) 45 minutes later, and a can of Sprite. He said that there were OEVs similar to those of smoking the freebase. However, in his text he mentioned that they weren't as in-depth. He also said he had purged once about 1.5 hours after downing the freebase.
 
Your neighbor just took a lot of freebase. SWIM's neighbor has similar tolerance and trips his face off on 120mg sublingual. It burns less than spicy chicken mr. noodles, at least to swim.

He is going to try 100mg dissolved in some vinegar tomorrow, if that works then he will post about it.

edit: SWIM was talking like a dick, but all in good fun. Peace and love fellow space cadet :D
 
q21q21 said:
Your neighbor just took a lot of freebase. SWIM's neighbor has similar tolerance and trips his face off on 120mg sublingual. It burns less than spicy chicken mr. noodles, at least to swim.

He is going to try 100mg dissolved in some vinegar tomorrow, if that works then he will post about it.

edit: SWIM was talking like a dick, but all in good fun. Peace and love fellow space cadet :D
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Haha. I texted him about the burn not being so bad. He's planning on blasting off tonight using your oil & DMT technique. He'll let me know how it goes as soon as it's done. Thanks for the help q21q21!

Edit: He's waiting for this storm regarding BBB to blow over.
 
My neighbor texted me and said he had mixed 75mg DMT freebase with some vinegar until it was completely dissolved. He held the mixture under his tongue for 15 minutes and then spit it out. He was planning to do another 75mg mixture but the mixture had irritated his tongue too much. He said it got a bunch or red bumps and went numb. Therefore, he put the other 75mg into a capsule and dropped it with a can of Coke. 15 minutes after the sublingual administration and freebase in a capsule, my neighbor said he began to have the body high and CEVs that DMT produces. He wasn't sure if it was the capsule (which has always take 45+ minutes to kick in) or the sublingual DMT. He was guessing it was the sublingual. But wouldn't sublingual administration be instant and not take 15 minutes to kick in?

Also, 150mg of Moclobemide was taken one hour before the sublingual dose.

UPDATE: My neighbor texted me just a second ago saying that his trip is tapering off and that it has been one of the most profound trips ever. He said it wasn't an out of body experience. Rather, it was simply a strong sense of love, peace, and happiness. He apologized for saying that the sublingual dose wasn't effective because it has obviously played its part. Next time, despite the burn, he will be doing sublingual administration only. At least, that's what he told me. :roll:
 
SWIM's 90mg of acetate in 1ml vinegar sublingual did nothing, though burned a bit, Only harmala was felt.

SWIM recently tried some sublingual harmala which he forgot was made using dilute HCl and though it didn't burn, it made his lower gum red and too irritable for sublingual administration for probably (hopefully only) a week.

SWIM was really looking forward to trying his fully-dissolved spice and has it prepared, he expects it will burn quite a bit less. But damn HCl!
 
q21q21 said:
SWIM's 90mg of acetate in 1ml vinegar sublingual did nothing, though burned a bit, Only harmala was felt.

SWIM recently tried some sublingual harmala which he forgot was made using dilute HCl and though it didn't burn, it made his lower gum red and too irritable for sublingual administration for probably (hopefully only) a week.

SWIM was really looking forward to trying his fully-dissolved spice and has it prepared, he expects it will burn quite a bit less. But damn HCl!
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Ouch! My neighbor said he had about 5ml of vinegar with the 75mg of freebase. I'll tell him to just stick with the sublingual-only during his next experiment. That way we'll know whether or not it was truly the sublingual responsible for his good trip.
 
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