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Pictorial Guide to Caapi Vine Alkaloid Extraction
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I did this with sodium carbonate and 60g caapi, worked fine, but the end product was somewhat grey/dark. Thanks gibran2, you rule
If one wants to blast off several times, two or three for example, does one have to take the harmalas prior to each blast off? Or if the doses are smoked within 2-3 hours, is single harmala dosing sufficient to bring the effect for all blast offs?
If one wants to blast off several times, two or three for example, does one have to take the harmalas prior to each blast off? Or if the doses are smoked within 2-3 hours, is single harmala dosing sufficient to bring the effect for all blast offs?
In my experience, a single harmala dose, whether oral or sublingual, will last for several hours at least.tele said:
None of these things need be real precise. The volume of liquid should be a convenient amout to work with. Whatever that may be.tele said:
For the lye, you do want enough to ensure that all the alkaloids are freebased, so adding more for larger amounts is right. I think 10g of lye will dissolve in 50ml of water, so you can use 50ml or 100ml or anything in between. The TEK is very forgiving.
OK so I boiled 120g of caapi and added 19g of sodium carbonate mixed in about 100ml of water. I mixed in and poured the liquid in three 300ml glasses.
What I've got is the precipitate covering about 2/3 of all three glasses, even after overnight settling! Is this normal or could it be that it just takes 2-3 days for all to settle? I am shocked that this much precipitated!
Could there be a problem with the s-carbonate amount or the solutions PH or something?
Is it good indicator to know that all has settled to look at the precipitate to be "solid", that is, no cloudy/airy appearance at all?
Or is it normal to get such amount?
What I've got is the precipitate covering about 2/3 of all three glasses, even after overnight settling! Is this normal or could it be that it just takes 2-3 days for all to settle? I am shocked that this much precipitated!
Could there be a problem with the s-carbonate amount or the solutions PH or something?
Is it good indicator to know that all has settled to look at the precipitate to be "solid", that is, no cloudy/airy appearance at all?
Or is it normal to get such amount?
with sodium carbonate as a base your precipitates are more fluffy and seem to take up much more space than if you use lye. at least this is my experience. This makes decanting harder and also traps some coloring-insolubles as I think I've told you about before. over night settling should be enough, it probably won't go down much after that, unless you centrifuge it.
start washing your product and good luck
start washing your product and good luck
According to this thread, 300mg of calcium hydroxide dissolved in 500ml of water will raise the water ph to 12. WTF. I find this hard to believe. What do you all think about this? If true, wouldn't it be better to drop in some CaOH. A ph of 12 should be more than enough for all harmalas, and I don't think a small amount of CaOH would clump like sodium carbonate.
Also, why not use CaOH in solution for dmt extractions as well, if only such a small amount is needed, and it's a food safe product.
Also, why not use CaOH in solution for dmt extractions as well, if only such a small amount is needed, and it's a food safe product.
I think the problem with CaOH is that it doesn't dissolve very well in water at all. Not sure what you'd have to do to get that much in solution. I think this is why it isn't used in general extractions except in dry teks. I could be wrong though.
Enoon said:
Really, that's the only reason people don't use CaOH in water? I always thought it simply doesn't result in a high ph if in a solution. But, according to the thread I provided, the guy just filtered out the insoluble stuff, and the result was still ph 12 from 300mg CaOH in 500ml water. Further tests must be done on this.
Keep in mind that the base is doing more than just raising the pH of the solution – it’s chemically reacting with harmala salts (acetates, tannates, etc.) to form freebase harmalas plus, in the case of calcium hydroxide, calcium salts (calcium acetate, calcium tannate, etc.)Apoc said:
So you’ll at least need enough base to react with the harmala salts, neutralize excess acid, etc.
OK so I discovered the matter or tyramines and MAOIs.
So what now, should I be very careful on what I eat before and after taking harmala extraction? Let's say 25mg before smoking freebase DMT.
It's just that those matters of hypertension etc. seems rather bad:
Here is also some info on peganum harmala(can it be considered the same as caapi?):
So what now, should I be very careful on what I eat before and after taking harmala extraction? Let's say 25mg before smoking freebase DMT.
It's just that those matters of hypertension etc. seems rather bad:
Erowid MAOI Vault : Foods to Avoid
Foods to Avoid with MAOIs (monoamine oxidase inhibitors)
www.erowid.org
Here is also some info on peganum harmala(can it be considered the same as caapi?):
Erowid MAOI Vault : Misc Info on MAOI Interactions with Foods and Drugs
A collection of information on food & drug interactions with MAOIs.
www.erowid.org
Food warnings are relevant to pharmaceutical non-reversible MAOI
Just eat light in general like you would with psychedelics in general and you should be fine. The only real danger is related with harmalas + amphetamines or SSRIs or similar, but with food its ok
Just eat light in general like you would with psychedelics in general and you should be fine. The only real danger is related with harmalas + amphetamines or SSRIs or similar, but with food its ok
endlessness said:Food warnings are relevant to pharmaceutical non-reversible MAOI
Just eat light in general like you would with psychedelics in general and you should be fine. The only real danger is related with harmalas + amphetamines or SSRIs or similar, but with food its ok
Thanks. I was kind of already before thinking that nature wouldn't be so picky about such things when it comes to the sacred plant experience.
Bombs away then...
HEY!!!!!! Just wondering, why wouldn't this work with mimosa tea?
Also, CaOH does in fact work for this!!!!!! I tried it on some rue. It is not dried yet, but clearly formed a tan colored precipitate layer. I assume this will work for caapi as well. CaOH is my new best friend. It is the least stinky of all bases. You just have to put some CaOH in a jar, shake it the hell up, let it settle for a few minute. There will be an insoluble white layer on the bottom. Just suck up the top layer with whatever sucker you want, and add your base water to your plant water. It works!
Also, CaOH does in fact work for this!!!!!! I tried it on some rue. It is not dried yet, but clearly formed a tan colored precipitate layer. I assume this will work for caapi as well. CaOH is my new best friend. It is the least stinky of all bases. You just have to put some CaOH in a jar, shake it the hell up, let it settle for a few minute. There will be an insoluble white layer on the bottom. Just suck up the top layer with whatever sucker you want, and add your base water to your plant water. It works!
I asked myself the same question, and then decided to experiment: For some reason, DMT simply doesn’t precipitate out of mimosa solution. There are substances in mimosa that “bind” or otherwise tie up the DMT, preventing it from aggregating and precipitating.Apoc said:
I once dissolved a bit of DMT in vinegar, diluted it, and then added a bit of NaOH and the DMT precipitates out quite nicely, so it’s not the DMT itself that is the problem, but rather something in the mimosa.
gibran2 said:
hmnmmmm, did you use acid in your brew? I wonder if the natural form of dmt tannate has anything to do with it. I wonder if a defat would help. I wonder if it would work on chaliponga, or chacruna, or acacia.... or grass. If this did work on mimosa, it really would be the greatest tek of all time.... but it would have also been discovered a long time ago.
I don't remember where I read it, but I heard that if you reduce mimosa down enough, salt crystals will start precipitating out. I wonder if reducing more would have any impact.