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A/B 10lb MHRB
2 5lb cooks
HCL to lower ph
1h:30m per cook. Cooked 3x per 5lb
Hard boiled all down to 3 gallon jugs
350g NaOH to raise ph
4L warm Naptha 400/400/500
added more NaOH too a couple jugs to break up emulsions.
freeze precip
23.4g very white crystal

Incase anybody is wondering, cost and yeild is split between 5 people, not for retail use.
 
weissewolf said:
A/B 10lb MHRB
2 5lb cooks
HCL to lower ph
1h:30m per cook. Cooked 3x per 5lb
Hard boiled all down to 3 gallon jugs
350g NaOH to raise ph
4L warm Naptha 400/400/500
added more NaOH too a couple jugs to break up emulsions.
freeze precip
23.4g very white crystal

Incase anybody is wondering, cost and yeild is split between 5 people, not for retail use.
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Whoa nice, that's a big extraction, but do you usually get a 0.5% yield?
I think you should keep on pulling from it. There should definitely be some more DMT left in there.

My friend has gotten the best yields from smaller extractions with excess water+lye.
She did a test extraction recently (STB) with just ~35-40 grams of MHRB and got over 1% yield and pulled ~300mg on the first pull. (creamy white too)
 
Swim is more or less still learning too. This is swim's 5th extraction. The couple times swim got higher yeilds they were pretty dirty. Swim trys and make it as white as possible.
 
First time extraction. Smale scale. Nomans tek. 25 grams of MHRB, 25 grams of lye, 375 mL water. 4 25mL naptha pulls. Let the naptha sit over night in the freezer. Filtered with coffee filter. Ammonia wash. Yeild was less than .1 and had very little activity which dissaponted SWIM, but encouraged him to make it better! Any advice for SWIM? He was thinking more lye/water, better powder of MHRB, and a larger scale. Any feedback is appreciated!
 
trancepants said:
First time extraction. Smale scale. Nomans tek. 25 grams of MHRB, 25 grams of lye, 375 mL water. 4 25mL naptha pulls. Let the naptha sit over night in the freezer. Filtered with coffee filter. Ammonia wash. Yeild was less than .1 and had very little activity which dissaponted SWIM, but encouraged him to make it better! Any advice for SWIM? He was thinking more lye/water, better powder of MHRB, and a larger scale. Any feedback is appreciated!
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All I would say is recycle the same Naphtha over and over again instead of using 100ml total. Don't be too afraid of emulsions, if your pH is high enough (less than 1/2" of brown foam bubbles after 45 min) they'll be really hard to form.

Also, try using more MHRB 50g+ at a time.
 
Swim wont be needing to do another extraction for a couple weeks, he still has a good amount but his friends are running low which means they will eat into his :p but he was thinking that the reason for the low yeild last time wasnt the need for more pulls but because the root didnt break up enough so he is going to let the root soak in acidic dh20 for atleast 24 hours before cook time. He is also going to try out vinegar too as he thinks hcl is too hard on his body. He will keep you guys informed.
 
ohayoco said:
Foaf's exhausted his potion of white spice. He got a nice yield of 0.7% from Maya's pre-powdered. Here's the details:

Yield of white spice: 3.7g (0.7%)
Product: 505g pre-powdered MHRB from Maya (their cheapest). Later added a 10g free sample of Mexican MHRB and 10g of leftover solid bark, making a total of 525g.
Process: Lazyman tek, usually Bartoline stirred for 20 mins then left overnight. Freeze precip. 12 pulls! (One still in the freezer but not that much goodies inside it so not included in figures), basically he kept pulling til it came no more.
Other brands: Jeye's Kleen-Off caustic soda from cornershop and Bartoline Low-Odour White Spirit from B&Q. Also experimented with some Swan lighter fuel from Sainsburys. Used filtered water because heard that chlorine eats spice!

Other notes: he's now continuing with xylene (T10009 thinners, 'Flag' brand) for any jungle spice... this will take a while as he needs to source FASA supplies. The potion sat around for a month during a leisurely extraction but this didn't seem to hurt the yield. He preferred Bartoline White Spirit to Swan lighter fuel because Swan evaporates too quickly so can't leave it sitting around because it's expensive stuff. Having to take off the Swan after an hour before too much evaporated meant it held half as much spice too. Also Bartoline doesn't stink out his house. The first batch of spice was pure white and the last light cream coloured. He just tried the last batch and it felt exactly the same as the first so he thinks it's still almost all nn-DMT. :)
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Plus 0.4g of spice recovered by soaking the filters in warm Swan.
And an extra 1.4g of yellow spice (DMT N-Oxide) with the xylene. Nice gentle stuff.
Disgarded the MHRB before realised yellow was still in there, so jungle spice and any more lurking N-Oxide is lost unfortunately.

So that's 4.1g of nn-DMT, and 1.4g of DMT N-Oxide, with Maya's cheapest pre-powdered MHRB.
Total yield 5.5g = 1% :)
 
average yield between 1 and 1.5% for MRB ( Brazil plantation material likely not hostilis) via STB with multiple xylene pulls over time and evap for alk recovery
without powering bark though, just breaking it up by hand
 
So, SWIM tried again.
Noman's tek.
200g MHRB
200g NaOH
3300mL water
190mL Naptha pulls
Freeze, ammonia wash.
First two pulls yielded 950mg white, clean cystal/powder
total yield was 1.5 gs, .75%.
SWIM is pretty satisfied with the quality of the product but is always looking to improve. He is considering a freeze precip next time, but wanted to hear other's voice thier opinion on it so he can decide if it is really worth it. Any input or advice is awesome!
 
SWIM has done 4 but doesn't know if he should continue. He would rather start over and try and better his technique further. Might just do both. You'll never know unless you try I suppose.
 
trancepants said:
SWIM has done 4 but doesn't know if he should continue. He would rather start over and try and better his technique further. Might just do both. You'll never know unless you try I suppose.
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If swiy still pulled a good amount on the last pull, then he should definitely carry on pulling.
Why wouldn't he?
Shake it harder, add heat, etc etc
 
Yes definitely keep pulling, but use freeze precip so you're not wasting naphtha and hurting the environment unnecessarily. Freeze precip is EASY, just put in a cold freezer in a sealed jar and take it out in 3 days time (filtering quickly before it warms), then repeat again and again, until no more comes out.
 
ohayoco said:
Yes definitely keep pulling, but use freeze precip so you're not wasting naphtha and hurting the environment unnecessarily.
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SWIM recycles the naptha and doesn't waste any of it.
When he pulls the naptha, he lets it sit in the freezer overnight, filters the naptha, collects the crystals and does an ammonia wash.
Works well for him it seems. I think he sees the formation of beautiful crystals as the main advantage to re-x.

Doing a freeze precip re-crystalization is on the agenda, just not right now.
 
trancepants said:
SWIM recycles the naptha and doesn't waste any of it.
When he pulls the naptha, he lets it sit in the freezer overnight, filters the naptha, collects the crystals and does an ammonia wash.
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trancepants said:
Doing a freeze precip is on the agenda, just not right now.
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What you're doing is freeze precip, what did you think it was?
 
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