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Voidmatrix said:
Great perspective on that picture and congratulations!

If it matters at all to you, I no longer perform the freeze/thaw and have not experienced a reduction in efficiency nor yield.

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Thanks Void. That is good to know as the freeze/thaw process takes forever! Definitely the best yield so far. MaxIon is currently dominating the little box of dreams.
 

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Actually they are all just made up names depending what struck me when they were bottled. Except MaxIon. Some are different colours from the same batches. Some are for re-x. I've been using the same solvent a couple of times which I think accounts for the yellow colour. I quite like it actually. Got bored of white.



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So pulls 4-6 yielded another 614mg which makes this by far the most successful extraction to date. I dont even have a firm basis to suggest why. Certainly wasnt anything to do with my skill or knowledge. Just dumb luck. Still, very happy.

2.5%... MaxIon is awesome, thanks to everyone involved.
 
I just did my first 2 extractions. I mainly used Cyb's Hybrid ATB but added the freeze cycles from Max Ion.

1) 50g MHRB yield 1g (2%)
2) 100 MHRB yield 2.2 (2.2%) I also increased the salt as per Max Ion

I couldn't retrieve all the spice from the NPS, so there's a bit that I couldn't measure. I also struggled with pulling the NPS. I need to find something better than a turkey baster.
 
50 g MHRB, twisted and shredded by hand to brake down the fibers
3x freeze/thaw with water and vinegar
3x 1.5 hr simmer on low heat with closed lid
filtered out the bark and continued with the liquid only
Based with NaOH
Pulled with naphtha

0.93 g mostly white xtals and some waxy yellow xtals. 1.86%

I believe 1 more boil would have drained the bark and got me to the 2% mark but the jar broke in the freezer and made a mess, had to discard it.

The intention was to work with bark pieces and base the liquid only to make the work easier and get cleaner product. The results were great but I had to work around a bad emulsion (bubbles between base soup and NPS that refuse to break)

I suspect filtration and multiple pours from jar to jar during acid phase (made foam that was discarded) introduced a lot of air in the liquid which contributed to the emulsion. Any thoughts on this?
 
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this was my first extraction ever, completed a few weeks ago. after alot of back and forth i settled on the spiritveggie tek mostly bc of the clear step by step video on his patreon. really left little room for mistakes if you just follow the directions and have quality bark. i won't go through the tek as i literally just followed it 1:1 on process, volumes, etc. pretty much 100%.

here's the rundown:

i used 100g of MHRB. i made my base brew (750ml distilled water, 100g lye, 30g mortons non iodized table salt, MHRB) and added my solvent (150ml naptha) and let it sit a full 24 hrs stirring every 3 hrs. then freeze precip for 24 hrs. on my first pull i ended up with 1.48g of white crystals and had a bit more but lost a fair amount of crystals when pouring off the solvent.

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did one more pull using about 80ml of fresh naptha this time and did the same 24 hr process mixing every 3 hrs. then freeze precip again for 24 hrs. scraped the second pull and i got .41g from the film coating the bottom of my dish. putting my total yield at 1.89%. stoked with the results!

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Sakkadelic said:
50 g MHRB, twisted and shredded by hand to brake down the fibers
3x freeze/thaw with water and vinegar
3x 1.5 hr simmer on low heat with closed lid
filtered out the bark and continued with the liquid only
Based with NaOH
Pulled with naphtha

0.93 g mostly white xtals and some waxy yellow xtals. 1.86%

I believe 1 more boil would have drained the bark and got me to the 2% mark but the jar broke in the freezer and made a mess, had to discard it.

The intention was to work with bark pieces and base the liquid only to make the work easier and get cleaner product. The results were great but I had to work around a bad emulsion (bubbles between base soup and NPS that refuse to break)

I suspect filtration and multiple pours from jar to jar during acid phase (made foam that was discarded) introduced a lot of air in the liquid which contributed to the emulsion. Any thoughts on this?
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Ya I just know when it gets it to add more heat and lye and it will go away. I like to heat my naphtha first time and just grab most of it in 2 main pulls. Then just heat up more naphtha pour and shake again and combine them. If you re use the naphtha after it gets oiled up it’s less prone to emulsion. Of course that would cost less pure stuff some would say but I’m pretty happy with it.
 
IceKoldpp said:
this was my first extraction ever, completed a few weeks ago. after alot of back and forth i settled on the spiritveggie tek mostly bc of the clear step by step video on his patreon. really left little room for mistakes if you just follow the directions and have quality bark. i won't go through the tek as i literally just followed it 1:1 on process, volumes, etc. pretty much 100%.

here's the rundown:

i used 100g of MHRB. i made my base brew (750ml distilled water, 100g lye, 30g mortons non iodized table salt, MHRB) and added my solvent (150ml naptha) and let it sit a full 24 hrs stirring every 3 hrs. then freeze precip for 24 hrs. on my first pull i ended up with 1.48g of white crystals and had a bit more but lost a fair amount of crystals when pouring off the solvent.

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did one more pull using about 80ml of fresh naptha this time and did the same 24 hr process mixing every 3 hrs. then freeze precip again for 24 hrs. scraped the second pull and i got .41g from the film coating the bottom of my dish. putting my total yield at 1.89%. stoked with the results!

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So you don’t heat it up at all to get white ones did you?
 
Bluffblocker said:
So you don’t heat it up at all to get white ones did you?
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that's correct. there is no heat at all during the extraction (aside from the chemical reaction when u add the lye to the water/salt solution, but thats before the bark is added so it doesn't really count). the entire extraction is basically room temp. Heat is what breaks down the fatty enzymes of the bark which are basically waste/impurities aka not pure deems (as far as i understand it) which is what makes the spice yellow. so by not introducing heat you avoid them making it into your finished product.
 
SWIMs Last batch was a disappointment extraction wise but the product was amazing. 500g MHRB in A/B Tek (DMT Handbook). Realized his solution was to hot up on adding the naphtha because he pulled A TON of plant fats/oils that was a real pain to separate from the spice. A few re-x did the trick, unfortunately he lost a lot of yield.
4.76g was yielded initially but after removing unwanted fats/oils he was left with 2.6g of all white freebase. Unfortunately over. 50% product loss but you live and you learn!
The product that yielded from this extraction was extremely strong tho, a lot more of a punch to the face than his last batches.
 
manifest_jynx said:
SWIMs Last batch was a disappointment extraction wise but the product was amazing. 500g MHRB in A/B Tek (DMT Handbook). Realized his solution was to hot up on adding the naphtha because he pulled A TON of plant fats/oils that was a real pain to separate from the spice. A few re-x did the trick, unfortunately he lost a lot of yield.
4.76g was yielded initially but after removing unwanted fats/oils he was left with 2.6g of all white freebase. Unfortunately over. 50% product loss but you live and you learn!
The product that yielded from this extraction was extremely strong tho, a lot more of a punch to the face than his last batches.
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just curious. has your friend tried any of the teks that don't use heat? i'm nowhere near an expert and have only witnessed one extraction but that tek was done with everything at room temp and got a near 2% yield so white it didn't even need a re-x. tek was very simple as well. spiritveggie tek i believe it was called.
 
IceKoldpp said:
just curious. has your friend tried any of the teks that don't use heat? i'm nowhere near an expert and have only witnessed one extraction but that tek was done with everything at room temp and got a near 2% yield so white it didn't even need a re-x. tek was very simple as well. spiritveggie tek i believe it was called.
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He used the Tek many times in the past, this was the first time this happened because he didn't wait long enough after removing the solution from heat to add the naphtha and at high enough temps naphtha with start to capture more than just the precious spice. It was a learning experience for him and knows what to avoid next time now.
This Tek in the past has yielded some very gorgeous all white crystals for him in the past, also feel like the acid cook is essential for high quality product, especially Phosphoric acid.
Most times he sees at minimum a 1% yield with the DMT handbook if done correctly.
 
Here's some spice crashing directly from water. This is the dissolved HCl salt of multiple extractions (yellow freebase with dilute HCl added) turning back into freebase as lye solution is added. Pulling this with naphtha at room temp gives very saturated and clean pulls until the last. There is something the acid leaves behind on the glass when first dissolving the DMT but also something left behind in the water after the DMT has been depleted again.

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