Power animals and Plant Spirits

[nexalizer]

I continue feeding my mind with tales of the amazon and shamanism in general. Yet another concept that keeps popping up is that of journeys to the lower & upper world and meeting with plant spirits and power animals.

Disregarding for now the question of whether these are "real" (separate, independent) entities or not (but feel free to talk about that if you have something interesting to add), what do you say about starting a thread describing such encounters ?

Have you met PS/PAs in your travels ?
Can you summon them at will ?
How have they been useful in your life ?

Do they usually identify themselves, like names for instance ?


I'm interested to see what comes out of this inquiry:lol:

 

[jamie]

yes
sort of
yes.

 

[nexalizer]

Mind elaborating, jamie ?

I've read elsewhere that some people consider it best not to discuss these things with others.. if this is your stance could you make it clear & elaborate on why you think it's better that way ?

 

[jamie]

main ones are an owl, and what seems to be an eagle..

Other random or infrequent ones are things like a fish and even a strange asian man who is master of moving through some kind of dreamlands..he can call up different songs that allow him to walk off into other worlds and tried to teach me how to do this..wish I could revisit that trip..ayahuasca can do many weird things.

I am vague because this does not, and should not mean much of anything to another person. It is a personal experience for me and that fact that this goes on is just another thing that you have to accept when doing this kind of stuff,whatever the reality of it may be. I was never really big on the whole animal spirit thing until I started to see this same owl fly up and stare into my face over and over right before I would be absorbed into the medicine.

 

[Eliyahu]

I experience them in that I see them and empathize with them during my psycedelic experiences..... The animal I commonly see is an Owl, funny coincedence.

I also see jauguars alot..

I feel the idea that humans can have animal characteristics has alot to do with this..

I personally believe our power animals are chosen by higher entities.
The way these entities choose our power animals for us is by deciding what animals we remind them of the most characteristically speaking.

jamie is right when he says it's hard to describe becuse it's a personalized experience.

 

[sgtWow]

Nexalizer please read this excerpt from Zhuan Falun to understand what Power Animals are Truly about:

Spirit Possession

A lot of us in the cultivation world might have heard of stories about animals, like maybe foxes, weasels, ghosts, or snakes, taking possession of human bodies. And what are these things all about? Some people say that practicing qigong develops supernatural abilities, but the truth is, it’s not that it develops supernatural abilities—those "supernatural abilities" are just a person’s innate abilities. It’s just that as society moves forward, people pay more and more attention to the visible things in this material dimension of ours, and they come to rely more and more on our sophisticated tools. So our human innate abilities have steadily atrophied, and now it’s come to the point where they’ve totally vanished.

If someone wants to have abilities, he has to go through cultivation, return to his original, true self, and bring them out through cultivation. But animals, on the other hand, they don’t have complicated thoughts like people do, and so they’re connected to the nature of the universe and do have their inborn, innate abilities. Some people say that animals know how to cultivate, that foxes know how to make elixir, that snakes and such-and-such animals know how to cultivate, and so on. It’s not that they know how to cultivate. At the start they didn’t know a thing about cultivating—it’s only that they had those innate abilities. So under certain conditions, in certain environments, and after a long time their innate abilities might take effect, and they’ll be able to get gong, and have abilities come out.

Now that things have gone this way, that animal gets some special abilities. At one time we would have said they’d "acquired subtle powers" or "gained special abilities." A lot of people seem to think animals are just incredibly fierce and that they can control people easily. Actually, I’d say they aren’t fierce—they’re nothing before a true cultivator. Big deal if they’ve cultivated almost 1,000 years, a pinky is more than enough to crush them. So now that we know animals have innate abilities and can have some special abilities, there’s another law in this universe of ours: animals aren’t allowed to succeed in cultivation. That’s why you’ve read in ancient books that they’re killed once every several hundred years in large catastrophes or small calamities. When an animal’s gong grows to a certain level after some time, it’ll be destroyed, struck by a thunderbolt, or something else will happen to stop it from cultivating. That’s because they don’t have the essential nature that humans have, and they aren’t able to cultivate like humans do. It’s guaranteed they’d be demons if they succeeded in cultivation since they don’t have human traits. So they aren’t allowed to succeed in cultivation, and that’s why they’re slain by Heaven. They too know that. But like I said, the world is sliding downhill bigtime, and there’s no evil some people won’t do. When it’s hit this point, isn’t the world in danger?

"When something reaches the extreme it reverses"! We’ve discovered that every time the world was destroyed in the different cycles of prehistoric ages, it was always when the human race’s morals were terribly degenerate. Right now the dimension where we human beings exist and a lot of other dimensions are in great danger. And the same goes for other dimensions at this level. The beings there, too, want to leave as quickly as possible, they want to climb up to higher levels. They think that by going up to higher levels they can escape. But that’s easier said than done, isn’t it? If you want to cultivate you have to have a human body, and that’s one reason we’re seeing qigong practitioners get possessed.

Maybe some of you are thinking, "How come all those Great Enlightened Beings and all those powerful masters aren’t doing anything about it?" In our universe there’s another law: if it’s about something you’re seeking or just want, nobody can stop you. Here we’re teaching you to take the right path, and along with that, we’re teaching you the Law inside and out and encouraging you to have your own understanding of it, but it’s still up to you whether you decide to learn it. "The master leads you through the door, but cultivation is up to you." Nobody’s going to push you to cultivate. It’s up to you whether you cultivate. Or to put it another way, when you choose your own path, when you decide what you want, or when you’re trying to get something—nobody will stop you. They can only try to kindly persuade you.

You see some people doing qigong exercises there, but it’s actually the possessing spirit that gets it all. How did they attract possessing spirits? Just consider all the people around the country who practice qigong, do you know how many of them have possessing spirits on their backs? If I told you, a lot of people wouldn’t dare to do qigong. The number is scary! So what would bring something like that about? Those things are really wrecking the ordinary world. So how did something so serious come about? It’s people’s own doing. Because mankind is going bad, demons are everywhere. The worst is those fake qigong masters, they all have possessing spirits on their bodies, and when they pass on their practices they’re transmitting that stuff. Never in history were animals allowed to get on human bodies, and if they did they’d be killed—whoever saw it wouldn’t stand for it. But would you believe, in today’s world some people pray to them, they want them, and they make offerings to them. Some people won’t be too happy to hear this—"But that isn’t what I asked for!" You didn’t ask for it, but you asked for abilities, and would the Enlightened Beings of a true cultivation give them to you? Asking for those kinds of things is an attachment that ordinary people have, and that kind of desire has to go. Then who do you think would give them to you? Only demons and different kinds of animals that are in other dimensions. Isn’t what you did just like asking them for those things? So they came right over.

How many people are there who have proper thoughts when they do qigong exercises? When a person practices qigong he has to take virtue seriously, do good things for others, and be kind—he should discipline himself this way in every action and in every circumstance. Take all the people doing qigong exercises in the parks and all the ones doing them at home, and how many do you have thinking that way? To be honest, when some people are doing their qigong, who knows what they’re doing, they’ll be exercising away, swinging their bodies all around, and at the same time going off about things—"Ugh! That daughter-in-law of mine has no respect for me," "My mother-in-law is such a wretch!" Some people even go on and on, from talking about things at their company right on to headline news—there’s nothing they don’t babble about, and the things they don’t agree with will blow their fuse. Tell me, is that doing cultivation exercises? And then there are people doing a standing exercise right there, getting so tired their legs shake, but his mind isn’t at rest, "Things are so expensive these days. Prices have gone up, and my company can’t make the payroll. Why can’t my practice bring out some abilities? If I got some abilities I’d be a qigong master, and I’d get rich—I could make money by giving people treatments." Once he sees that other people’s abilities have come out he gets even more agitated. He gets obsessed with getting abilities, with getting the Third Eye, and with getting healing skills. Now think about it, isn’t that about as far as you can get from the nature of our universe, to be True, Good, and Endure?! He’s simply turning his back on it. To put it a little more seriously, he’s practicing in an evil way! But he isn’t aware of it. The more he thinks like that, the worse the thoughts are that his mind emits. That kind of person doesn’t have a handle on it, he doesn’t know he should take virtue seriously, and he thinks that by doing those movements he can get gong, and that he can get whatever he wants by seeking after it—he thinks that’s how it is.

A person attracts bad things precisely because his thoughts aren’t proper. Then the animal sees it, "This guy wants to get rich off qigong, and that guy wants to get famous and get abilities. Boy, his body is pretty good and what he has is pretty good. But his mind is really bad—he’s after abilities! Maybe he has a master, but even if he does, I’m not afraid." It knows that the master of a true cultivation will see him seeking abilities like that, and the harder he seeks after them the less likely the master will give him them, since that’s exactly an attachment he should get rid of. The more he thinks that way, the less the chance he’ll be given any abilities, so basically the more oblivious he is to how it works, the more he wants them and the worse his thoughts get. Finally that master gives a deep sigh when he sees that this guy is finished, and he won’t have anything more to do with him. Some people don’t have masters, and maybe somebody who happens to pass by will look after them for a while, since there are so many Enlightened Beings in different dimensions. An Enlightened Being might take a look at him, watch him and follow him for a day, and leave him after he sees that he’s not good. The next day another one comes by, takes a look at him, finds out he’s no good, and off he goes.

The animal knows that whatever kind of master he has, be it a regular one or a passing-by one, his master won’t give him what he’s seeking. Animals can’t see the dimensions where Great Enlightened Beings are, so they aren’t afraid, and they’ve taken advantage of a loophole: our universe has a law, that when somebody wants to seek something, or wants something, normally he shouldn’t be stopped. It takes advantage of that loophole—"He wants them, then I’ll give him them. It’s not wrong for me to help him, right?" So it gives them to him. At first the animal doesn’t dare get on his body, so it starts by giving him a little gong as a test-run. The person keeps seeking it, and one day he really gets it, and he can even heal people. The animal sees that it’s worked pretty well, and it’s just like playing a prelude before the show really starts. "He wants them, so I’ll get right on his body. And once I’m there I can give him more, I’ll pour it on!" "You want the Third Eye, right? This time I’ll give you it all." So it gets right on him.

While he’s having that thought about wanting it, right there doing that, his Third Eye pops open, he’s able to send out gong, and he’s even got a few little abilities. He’s beside himself with joy, and he thinks that he’s sought and sought these things and finally got them, and he thinks they came from his practice. But actually, his practice didn’t bring him anything. He thinks that he can see through a human body and see where the problems are in someone’s body. In reality, though, his Third Eye isn’t open one bit—it’s that the animal is controlling his brain. That animal sees things with its eyes and then reflects what it sees into his brain, and he thinks his Third Eye is open. "Want to send out gong? Go for it." When he holds out his hands to send out gong, the animal’s little paws extend out from behind his body. When he sends out gong, the forked tongue from the little snake’s head comes out to lick the sick or swollen area. There are a lot of things like this. Those spirits that possess these people come only because they asked for them.

So he seeks after them, he dreams about getting rich, and about getting famous. "Okay then!"—he gets abilities, he can heal people, and he can see with his Third Eye. That makes him happy. The animal takes a look, "You want to get rich, don’t you? Okay, I’ll make you get rich." It’s way too easy to control an ordinary person’s head. The animal can control a lot of people and make them come to him for treatments, and they’ll come in droves. Oh my goodness!—while he sees patients right here, it’s stirring up reporters over there to promote him in newspapers. It manipulates ordinary people to do these things. When someone who comes for a treatment doesn’t pay him enough, he won’t let them off the hook, and he’ll make you have a headache. What it comes down to is that you just have to give him a lot of money. The guy pulls in both fame and wealth—he’s made a bundle, he’s become well-known, and now he’s a qigong master. People like him usually don’t care about character and they’ll dare to say anything, "I’m second to none but Heaven." They go as far as saying they’re the reincarnations of well-known deities, like the Queen Mother or Jade Emperor, and they even go as far as saying they’re Buddhas. They haven’t really gone through character cultivation, so they seek abilities when they do their exercises and end up getting possessed by animals.

Maybe some of you are thinking, "What’s wrong with that? It’s okay as long as I can make money, or get rich, and I can get famous." That’s what a lot of people are thinking. But I’ll tell you, that animal isn’t doing it without a purpose, it turns out, and it doesn’t give you something for nothing. There’s a law in this universe: no loss, no gain. What does the animal get? I talked about this earlier, didn’t I? It’s trying to get that bit of essence in your body to cultivate into a human form, so it just gathers the essence from the human body. But there’s only this one share of essence in a human body, and if somebody wants to cultivate, he only has this one share. And if you let the animal take it from you, you can forget about cultivating—how would you cultivate then? You’ll have lost everything, and you won’t be able to cultivate at all. Maybe some people will say, "I don’t want to cultivate. I just want to get rich. All’s well as long as I have money. I couldn’t care less!" Look, I’ll tell you: you want to get rich, but after I explain how it really works, then you’ll change your mind. So what happens? If it leaves your body not too late your limbs will feel like lead, and you’ll be like that for good, because it drained you of too much of your essence. But if it leaves your body late, you will become a vegetable and lie in bed for the rest of your life hanging on by a thread. Even if you had money, would you be able to spend it? Even if you had fame, would you be able to enjoy it? Wouldn’t it be horrible?

These things have become really serious and they’re common among people who practice qigong these days. The animal doesn’t just possess the body, it also kills the person’s master soul, and it burrows into the person’s Niwan Palace and squats there. The person looks like a human being, but he’s not. You even see things like that nowadays. Mankind’s morals have changed, so when some people do bad things, and you tell them they’re doing bad things, they just don’t believe you. They think that making money, wanting money, and getting rich are their birthright, and that these are the right thing to do. So they harm other people, they hurt others, and they’ll stop at nothing to make money—they’ll do anything! The animal won’t gain if it doesn’t lose. Would it give you something for nothing? It wants to get the things that are in your body. Of course, we’d say that people invite all those troubles just because that idea they have isn’t right, and their thoughts aren’t proper.

Let’s see what our Falun Dafa has to say about this. When you cultivate in our discipline, as long as you can always keep up your character, "one good can overcome a hundred evils"—you won’t run into any trouble. On the other hand, if you can’t keep up your character well, if you seek after all sorts of things, you’re sure to invite trouble. Some people just can’t let go of the things they used to practice. We all know that you have to commit to one discipline when you do qigong—in true cultivation you just have to. Some qigong masters have written books, but so what. You know what, their books are such a mess they’re like those things they practice—snakes, foxes, and weasels, they’re all in there. When you read those books that stuff will jump out from the words. I have to tell you, those fake qigong masters outnumber true qigong masters by a lot, and you can’t tell who’s who. So you have to know what you’re doing. It’s not like I won’t settle for anything but your cultivating in my Falun Dafa. Actually, you can cultivate in the discipline of your choice. But there’s an ancient saying, "No true teachings for thousands of years, better than wild heresy for one day." So you really have to know what you’re doing, and really cultivate a true teaching. Don’t mix anything into your cultivation—don’t even add thoughts. Some people’s Law Wheels have gotten all out of shape. Why is that? They get defensive, "But I didn’t practice that other qigong." But whenever they do the exercises, their thoughts just keep pumping in the things they practiced before—wouldn’t that add it in? That’s all I want to say about spirit possession.




From : http://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/pdf/zfl_new.pdf

 

[Eliyahu]

SgtWOW said:

Only demons and different kinds of animals that are in other dimensions.

also...

The animal knows that whatever kind of master he has, be it a regular one or a passing-by one, his master won’t give him what he’s seeking. Animals can’t see the dimensions where Great Enlightened Beings are, so they aren’t afraid, and they’ve taken advantage of a loophole: our universe has a law, that when somebody wants to seek something, or wants something, normally he shouldn’t be stopped.

So your saying power animals are the same or similar to Demons/ predatorial beings etc...
According to you whenever I see a vision of an animal it's trying to conquer my soul?


I'm afraid this view seems terribly mis-guided and under-informed.

 

[dreamer042]

I have a brown bear that has walked with me as long as I can remember in my dreams and reveries. He has always been there to give me strength and protection when I need it, and I suspect he will be with me till I die.

Other animals come and go for various reasons and with various messages and lessons, both in the physical and non-physical realms. It's really interesting to take the animist approach and try to decipher what the world is trying to impart to us. I feel like a lot of people tend to overlook the messages our plant and animal brethren carry to us everyday. I feel deeply that taking this approach to life is what they mean when they say to "walk in beauty".

There are a couple books I highly recommend by fellow named Ted Andrews called "Animal Speak" and "Nature Speak" that are really great resources if you are into this kind of thing.

Interestingly enough, most of this doesn't come through in my psychedelic experiences. I have experienced the jungle on ayahuasca and had the stereotypical encounters with snakes and jaguars and monkeys and parrots. I have felt the warm embrace of mama aya and the wisdom and power of grandfather cactus, but I've never had the kind of personally meaningful encounters I do in my dreams and meditations with the power animals. I assume it's something that just needs to be developed. I always feel like I'm kinda just along for the ride with the psychedelics, but I know the masters of these allies can navigate these spaces with full control and use the medicine to invoke these encounters and do this kind of work. Learning this level of control is one of the big reasons I feel compelled to make the trek to work with these maestro's of the medicine.

Thanks for starting this discussion, I'm excited to hear more peoples experiences with these things.

 

[aliendreamtime]

Foxes seem to be connected to me. I see them more than any other obscure animal.

I think it has more to do with the intrinsic characteristics of the actual animal. For instance, call upon the courage or 'heart' of a lion. The cunning of a fox, the empathy of a dolphin?, etc.

My opinion is that the power animals that 'belong' to you are dictated by genetics. For instance, James Taylor has a 'bird of prey' look to him, and holds much the same revery people have for eagles. People share 'shades' of characteristics that are more prominent in their animal allies.

I am personally much more interested in plant spirits. "Plant spirit shamanism" is an excellent book on the subject. I've healed multiple diseases with my plant allies, which are typically local plants.

Traditionally, shamanism doesnt work without spirit allies, since they are considered to be the actual healers, and the shaman simply acts as a mediary between the spirit helper and the diseased person.

Offerings I found are also an integral part of the spirit ally connection. Making personal sacrifices, for me, typically makes whatever plight I have more effectively eliminated.

Great thread, deffinately worth looking into things like this!

Edit: As far as psychedelic experiences go, I've never really seen a 'power animal' except for a snake and flesh eating microbes haha. I think the ayahuasqueros view the many different color patterns to be spirits. There are some that are friendly and make you comfortable, and there are others that are not so nice. Interesting to think about though

Sweet guitar btw nex. Dean Koa? Got one myself

 

[tigerstrike92]

I once had a dream when I was a small child that was so real, I didn't realize it was a dream until after I woke up a second time. It was very fleeting, but I dreamed that I opened my eyes slightly while still laying in bed, and a tiger was in my room staring at me. I felt extremely warm, comfortable, and protected. I went back to sleep thinking it was real. His/her name was never revealed, and I haven't seen it since, but it felt to real to just ignore.

As far as plant spirits, they are essential to my psychonautical journies. Sometimes I am just along for the ride and to enjoy the experience, but when I'm getting down to some serious introspective buisness, I always ask for protection and guidance from the spirits of the plants I'm using.

 

[sgtWow]

Eliyahu wrote:

So your saying power animals are the same or similar to Demons/ predatorial beings etc...
According to you whenever I see a vision of an animal it's trying to conquer my soul?


I'm afraid this view seems terribly mis-guided and under-informed.

No Eliyahu, I am not saying this. A high level Qi Gong Master who has been cultivating almost his whole life in this powerful Buddha Law practice is saying this. He has great wisdom and insight into these spiritual matters.

He is expounding on the fact that a lot of beings in other dimensions see us as a resource, a free meal ticket as it were. Others are like multidimensional lampreys that attach themselves to our bodies in other dimensions for a variety of nefarious reasons, sometimes to control us or to siphon off our spiritual 'essences'.

There are many beings in those other realms that do not have your best interests at heart and even the one's that look angelic may not be so. Shape shifting is something that demonic entities also employ to make you think that you are dealing with good beings.

I have read a few of your posts and I can tell that you are also looking for the Truth on all of these matters. I highly recommend you download a copy of Zhuan Falun for yourself which I have linked to earlier in this thread but if you missed it, here it is:

http://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/pdf/zfl_new.pdf

This book talks about many things such as the soul,the cosmos and it's many dimensions, supernatural abilities, cultivating and harnessing spiritual energy, transcending the 5 elements and the 3 realms, entities and a multitude of other fascinating things. It is not new age fluff like most stuff out there. It explains things with today's scientific concepts and understandings. A True spiritual science as it were.

I beleive you and anyone else who partakes in DMT would find this book very insightful and a real eye opener.

 

[Eliyahu]

There are many beings in those other realms that do not have your best interests at heart and even the one's that look angelic may not be so. Shape shifting is something that demonic entities also employ to make you think that you are dealing with good beings.

I agree with you, however I believe if a person cultivates his/her perceptual abilities to the maximum then it becomes impossible to be decieved by masquerading dark entities...

I will have a look at the link, thanks and take care.

 

[olympus mon]

I never had any encounters with plant or animal spirits until Peru. My first aya ceremony I was engulfed in anacondas but then never saw them again the rest of my time there. I was told this was a good omen of things to come and it sure seemd to be having such a life changing experience there.

After my first month there the shamans had me bathing in water made up of colendrulem (sp?) and after 1 week the spirit of that plant came to me in a very powerful experience. I was first taught how to communicate telepathically back and forth and then how to tell the difference between the spirits voices and my own as well as other chatter which i assume were other spirits just there for whatever reason.

On another ceremony I met and walked with the spirit of Cappi in a special experience which I wrote about somewhere in the aya forum. Funny thing was it was a male figure not female like I normally read and heard about. Both experiences were very powerful and left me a bit confused as to what I believe is real.

You must understand my time there was quite moving and changed the way I see everything in life. Id like to write about these changes soon but have not had the proper free time to do so being so busy preparing for my permanent relocation to Cuzco in just a few weeks.

In short I entered the small village a believer in such things as plant spirits but after the things I saw, and things I learned I left Peru confused and leaning towards non belief.

There were many hours of integration and contemplation that brought me to this point and Id like to spell it out someday because its interesting. Its not everyday a man goes to the jungle a believer and leaves an atheist not because no contact was made but because so many contacts were made in ceremony.

 

[Mz.Gypzy]

I seen this thread a while back, but couldn't post in it. Now that i have full membership i would like to share.


For a while my Changa sessions were getting a little stranger than usual, felt like I was just tumbling through hyperspace more lost than usual. Everything was dark and webby,
So, I had a plan to go in with the intention of maybe finding a guide to help me.
I bought a white candle earlier in the day, before I started smoking I lit it with the same intention of finding a guide or helper.
During the session, at first it was the usual dark and webby like visuals. I peaked my eyes open to look at the candle and try to focus on my intention.
I closed my eyes but the light of the candle stayed behind my eye lids and grew brighter and brighter. The light formed into a large Hummingbird made of bright light. The dark webby visuals disappeared, as this thing hovered in front of me.
I felt my spine straighten my head tilted upwards and a rush warmth and tingle shot up my spine. The Hummingbird was saying, not in words but in emotions or telepathically that it wanted to be my helper. That it could help me live more in the present moment, to find joy in the little things in life to be at peace with myself and to learn to love life.
Being in this things presence was amazing.
I could feel it slipping away, like we were both on currents going in opposite directions.
Before it left, My mouth opened and out came this weird sound involuntarily.
Kind of like an “Ooh, Ooh, Ooh, Ooh, Ooh”. It let me know that anytime I needed the things that it can offer all I had to do was use this call and it would come.

I had dreams of hummingbirds for the next two nights. I also felt a great peace and had a lot of energy. It definitely had an effect on me. For example, the next day I felt very child like, I spent a couple hours in a bubble bath, blowing bubbles into the air, just amazed at them, and giggling to myself. Which is something I probably normally wouldn’t do.

Since I keep dreaming of them and couldn’t stop thinking of them I decided to do some research and see if they meant anything. I was surprised at what I found,

“When we assume hummingbird consciousness, our life becomes a wonderland of sensuous delights. We live for beauty, delighting in flowers, aromas, fine mist, and delicate tastes.
When it becomes our totem, the hummingbird teaches us to laugh and enjoy the creation, to appreciate the magic of being alive, and the truth of beauty.
Hummingbirds awaken us to the beauty of the present moment. As they dance the four quarters of embodied existence, they bring us medicine to solve the riddle of duality. They also awaken us to the medicinal properties of plants.”
From here

Theres more if interested. here and hereand here





I would never of thought that a Hummingbird would come to me. If I had to pick an animal it would have been something like a Raven, An Owl, Panther, or a Wolf,
Ya know, something tough and Cool? Ha ha..

But after doing some research on it, the hummingbird actually fits my personality very well. And I like the things it symbolizes.

Thanks for reading!

 

[flickedbic]

First experience with DMT @ First DMT Experience; Rue and Mimosa with Eggwhite Fining and Crude Bufo-changa - First steps in Hyperspace - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus and a blue dragon in November of last year got me wondering if it really was the Year of the Dragon (and I had a funny feeling)... It makes sense that 2012 actually is.

The blue dragon I researched; it may signify freedom and independence and a the sign of the coming spring. They are they are the symbol of the East. All powerful yet totally unpredictable. The Dragons are the free spirits of the Chinese Zodiac. 2012 is the Chinese year of the Water Dragon or Black(Dark Blue) Water Dragon. The Dragon is the only mythological animal of the 12 animals that represent the Chinese calendar.

FURTHER RESEARCH WAS INTERESTING TO ME:

Etymologically, "derkeîn = "to see", and originally likely meant "that which sees", or "that which flashes or gleams" (perhaps referring to reflective scales). This is the origin of the word "dragon". (See also Hesiod's Theogony, 322.) ..."water-snake", which probably comes from the verb δρακεῖν (drakeîn) "to see clearly".

Dragons of the East:
Like these other Asian dragons, most Japanese ones are water deities associated with rainfall and bodies of water, and are typically depicted as large, wingless, serpentine creatures with clawed feet. Gould writes "the Japanese dragon is "invariably figured as possessing three claws". The Japanese dragon also represents the meaning of freedom and being fearless.

DMT is also said to be a water spirit...

I did not know (consciously at least) that it was to be the year of the Water Dragon; or that Dragon might also mean 'that which flashes or gleams" when I met the shining thing. Just today, spurred by this thread, I found out that my lucky element happens to be Water according to Chinesefortunecalendar.com:grin: .

 

[nexalizer]

In short I entered the small village a believer in such things as plant spirits but after the things I saw, and things I learned I left Peru confused and leaning towards non belief.

There were many hours of integration and contemplation that brought me to this point and Id like to spell it out someday because its interesting. Its not everyday a man goes to the jungle a believer and leaves an atheist not because no contact was made but because so many contacts were made in ceremony.

I for one would like to see more about this! When you find the time do share with us.

You're moving to Peru? That's amazing! I hope to find some time next year to go have that experience with the native shamans

 

[olympus mon]

Ive been taking a lot of time as of late to ponder the things I experienced. I can not deny what my own eye saw these incredible healers do.

Yesterday at the Museum of Natural History in NYC I spent much time in the South America room remembering my time in Peru and looking at the full size replicated scene of a medicine man healing a sick person using ayahuasca and shamanic practices.

Although I personally do not believe at all as they do that magic darts casted by evil spirits or brujos are the cause of sickness and death I must say it certainly seems that "removing" these psychic objects does give relief to the sick and at times cures to disease. Ive seen it with my own eye's.

What makes my head hurt is why? Why does this seem to work?

When I was in my second month in the village I wanted to drink alone in my room but was advised against this. The reason stated is that it was dangerous. Dangerous because of the brujos in the area would travel through the spirit world looking for un protected souls which I would be if i drank ayahausca alone and not in ceremony. I had a hard time fully believing this.