Prāṇa Entities on LSD?

[Bonné]

Background experience for this thread:

[LSD Trip Report] Ego Death & Close Entity Encounter (Very long) - LSD, LSA, LSH - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Basically, I took a fairly decent dosage of LSD a few months back which started out with some self inquiry that eventually lead to ego death. After this had passed, my friend and I were lying on the couch together and smoked some Salvia 10x. Shortly after this, the atmosphere in the house changed completely and many strange things occurred after this.
To really get to the point, I met some very musically inclined entities that were somehow interested in my involvement with them. We seemingly had a really great, fun and certainly interesting time together. Now, the more I got deeply involved with these entities, the more I felt like my very beingness was being sucked into their dimension of reality. I didn't think much of it at the time, but it was really a draining experience, both physically and mentally. I could feel it deep in my gut that there was some tension or pulling of sorts.

The following day I looked completely scrawny, literally bordering on looking anorexic. I had been working out regularly for about half a year prior to the experience, so I had a decent knowledge of what my physique looked like, and was really puzzled by how it looked as though my muscles had all deteriorated. I also felt immensely tired for many days afterwards.

All along I've mostly just been convincing myself that those were probably the effects of having such a deep encounter with what appears to be beings from another plane of existence as well as simply taking LSD.
But a few days ago, my new friend would assure me that they were some sort of prāṇa vampires, or entities whose purpose is to drain life force.

In case this is what they really were, how would one go about establishing some sort of protection from such malevolent beings? And how would you ever be able to figure out their underlying intentions, until you've actually let them in?

Thanks a lot.

 

[GOD]

My opinion ---- >

When we talk to a french person we speak french . When we talk to ourselves we speak our own language .

= When a person thinks in terms of ghosts , spirits , mickey mouse , santa , machine elves , vampires , easter bunnys , gulivers tavels , prana , chakras , reptilians and nibiru we " see " and comunicate with ourselves in that language / in those terms .

= What we see is a reflection of what we have in our own heads .


It used to be that people were told before they took an hallucinogenic drug that the most important thing is to remember that one has taken a drug , that one is on a trip and that one should not believe anything one fantasises about . That its a trip and not real ....... except in ones own ego .

 

[Infectedstyle]

Woulden't your opinion apply equally well to ur last statement, god?

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Anyway, I would prefer to prevent from making this thread into an orthologous discussion. So we can actually have constructive conversations on the topic at hand.

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Quite strangly, I had the complete opposite experiene with 2ce. I met malevolent entities who blatantly attempted to drain my energy and take chunks of my body. It was quite painful when they did. And I also felt as if my muscles where literally detoriating. As you said happened to you as well.

Either way, I fought it off in a sense maybe my senses are more trained in this area because I meet malevolent entities seemingly all the time. And have much experience with my body detoriating from these encounters.

One of the visions I had was of my muscle being grown. This vision occured when I thought in my mind: "I will fight this evil".

And funnily enough, while I was quite tired and depressed the next day (said Entity had numerous large chunks out of my body) I felt more strong and more physically able. Also after having some good meals. Have to eat healthy. did you? Maybe this acts as the first line of defense if our physique is involved.

 

[GOD]

" Woulden't your opinion apply equally well to ur last statement, god? "

I dont understand that . I hadnt taken any drugs . Please can you explain what you mean ?


" All along I've mostly just been convincing myself "

con·vince

1. To cause (someone) by the use of argument or evidence to believe something or to take a course of action.

Science deals with facts and proof . Belief , trust and faith have no place . They are subjective ways of people " understanding " things that they dont undestand ? = I dont know so i believe / trust / have faith in ?

 

[Infectedstyle]

I was referring to ur last statements :

"that one is on a trip and that one should not believe anything one fantasises about . That its a trip and not real ....... except in ones own ego ."

This. To believe that its a trip and not real except in ones own ego.
Is a belief system in and of itself.

If not to enforce your beliefs and ur thought on the matters we are discussing here. I do not see why you brought it up.

" All along I've mostly just been convincing myself "

I believe OP said this in relationship to what happened to his physique. It had little to do with his beliefs of the ontological status of said entities. Or wheter they reside in the ego or not. That is what you seem be concerned with personally. I'm just pointing this out. In hopes that we can avoid that discussion and focus less on semantics and more on the science.

Personally,I am more concerned with the effects it has on physical planes. They could reside in ego. They could reside in spirit worlds. Fact is, this experience happens. And there is a reason for it.

Wheter they are Prana vampires, Lovely entities who make you tired after interacting with them or ego constructs. all 3 reside in belief systems.

I am more concerned with the fact that energy is being drained by interacting with these entities/thought constructs. And I would like to see discussed in this thread how we can prevent our energy from being drained. Or at the very least understand where this is going. Or why this happens.

In some cases there is energy being injected by entities instead of being drained. I would also like to add this into our discussion/thinking. And perhaps focus on how we can gain energy as opposed to being drained.




Disclaimer: If I said anything that offends anyone or upsets in any way whatsoever. Please do not hold me responsible for it. My intentions are nothing but good.

 

[null24]

This discussion illustrates the need for research and points to an avenue of study. How that would be set up, idk. 'Entity contact 'is probably the most intriguing aspect of DMT, and using it as a method to induce a state of consciousness where these extra-bodily beings can be encountered would be of value in exploring the human mind, imo.

In my exp with DMT, entities are rare, but i do feel that over been imparted knowledge that i didn't have prior to some exps in hyperspace.

What are these things? Psychopomps; guides to 'the underworld'? Tulpas; or thought forms created by our own intense mind power? I have a hard time with believing things. For me, DMT entities fall into the same line of thinking that carries orbs, ghosts, and loch ness monsters. while there may be something there that had escaped the looking glass of inquiry, until there is empirical evidence supporting the extrabodily existence of these creatures then I suspended both belief and judgement.

 

[Jin]

meditation can help combat entities

 

[Walter D. Roy]

meditation can help combat entities

Yes. I agree completely.

The psychedelic experience my friend is something that is very magical, and a lot of people report happenings such as miracles caused by this.

GOD is right that the entities were part of your head, but you did have a mental struggle with entities that are representations of what you are doing, thinking, and living at the time. This I think can have a physical toll, and I bet it was a bit of a work out.

Meditation, incense, things that can make you feel and remind your self that the letting go process is very important in these trips. Especially when dealing with entities and realizing they are not a god or an omnipotent presence. But just a point of abstract consciousness just like you. The human body is an amazing thing, and for many reasons I bet a lot of nature and the dream world is jealous of it. Its not uncommon in greek mythology that the gods would occupy forms of the human body. Because its fun, and there are a lot of great things we can do and experience with it.

If your having experience with entities that are hurting you or draining you. The best thing in my experience. Create some entities there that will have the opposite effect. In a way this is ancestor magic how I look at it. Spend time thinking about the positive aspects of your life and call upon the characteristics that you were born with into your family and ask them to manifest and help you on your path. Everyone has good and bad in them, and every family has good and bad qualities. Your parents brought you up and their parents brought them up, all in the end for better survival. And being human this means spiritual and physical at the same time.

Anyways, hope that helps. Entities can be tricky. But just remember you have the power to stand up and sing and fight them away when they start acting bigger then you. Most of the time. Most of the time at least. But I just say this because my most powerful experiences on psychedelics were with no entities, just a bunch of color. The entities are good for introspection as you get to deal with certain more crude aspects of life, like yourself. But a lot of them I noticed if you let them will take on the whole god thing.

Good luck, and be safe.

 

[Infectedstyle]

I've sometimes been looking in the mirror and seen my face morph and morph. And I figured this is "Prana". Hence I was lured into this thread title. I did some form of Mudra and it sort of changed things. Hard to explain. With eyes closed it makes me see hindu figures. but that may just be due to (sub)conscious process. However. These entities may also be intricately related to (sub)conscious processes.

I figured because I tend to hear voices (more like thoughts in my head coming from outside of me). And during this period I would hear different personalities and they would switch every second. I suppose meditation helps in dissociating from all this. Not like dissociation is all that mastering the mind has to offer! ...

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Excuse my enthusiasm but it's a topic close to heart..

 

[jamie]

Face it, yall have no idea about the origin of the entity experience.

Why not just be honest, and say you don't know?..rather than make something up?

 

[null24]

What he said!
:!:
Really, some of this is veering close to delusion. DMT is a powerful mind altering substance. Humans have more knowledge of what rocks are in the moon than we do of what's in our head. Like i said before, this is a tool that allows us to explore uncharted regions of the human consciousness. We are the pioneers of hyperspace. And in a way, we're monkeys with the keys to a spaceship.

I understand the desperate desire to understand. But to plead ignorance doesn't make one any less 'enlightened', it makes one human. To wholesale accept the reality of DMT entities is frankly dangerous business. Belief in anything is dangerous.

 

[DoingKermit]

I agree with jamie and null here. IMO, some of these experience could be tailored by the many years (or not so many years) our minds have been convinced through an abundance of astounding realistic scenarios, which we are shown and felt. I have experienced things on DMT which have changed my life and beliefs forever.

However, I take some of it with a pinchy of salt, due to the lack of not actually knowing. It can be so easy to accept entities as completely real (the connection between them feels very real), as the emotions are real, the full on appreciation for life (post breakthrough) feels 100% real... it's a difficult one for sure.

That being said, I love the idea of Hyperspace being a place beyond our minds, but as I say under my avatar... "destination brain". Although I have no idea what the true answer is, I'd like to think it's a bit of both.