Pulling jungle dmt from the lime extarction?

[Digest Yourself]

Ok, so the thick vinger/h20/lime mix is great for pulling pure white, but how do I get the jungle out? the yellows and reds and what not..

I've always had great experiences with the lye extraction, ending in a yellowish tan color sticky product. But I never wanna use lye again.. gross. I'm happy with the simplification of the lime extraction, its great and no lye residual risk.

I always use the tinfoil base smoking method which works amazing, I know how to control the heat, but I feel the purity of this new white product is less stable. I obviously need to invest in a VG (thanks to the res ponders on the last post).

But what I really wanna know is how to pull everything out of the mhrb with the lime extraction.
Any help?

 

[Crazyhorse]

I'm definitely not an extraction expert, I've only done one. But I think if you evap the naptha after the freeze precip, you should get the rest of the goodies. I did the Q21Q21 and actually ended up with white, jungle AND jimjam... but it was by accident and I'm not sure of all the steps that made it end up that way.

 

[endlessness]

I find "jungle" to be a misleading term, makes people think they are assured a different alkaloid content and experience, which is not necessarily so. Colors are no good indication to alkaloid content.

The differences in some methods of extractions from others, as mentioned in the first post of jungle spice analysis thread in my signature, is very small, and possibly not significant enough to notice differences.

Personally I think a lot of people that think they feel the difference are actually self-suggesting, and would not notice so with blind tests.

In any case, Digest Yourself, you didnt mention which solvent you are using. You need to pull with xylene or limonene and do acqueous salting (FASW/Vinegar) and do the paste conversion to freebase to get these trace amount of other alkaloids, but again, possibly you wont notice the difference anyways.

 

[Digest Yourself]

Crazyhorse - no, evaping with result in white Xstals, and much loss of solvent.

I'm using room temp Nap. It works fine because I'm defiantly pulling the 1%+ out.

I've never use Xylene, what is the major difference between that and nap? and I could only find D-limonene in gels tabs. where can I get that in liquid?

The only reason I want to pull out some of those yellow oils with the pure white is for smoking stability purposes.

Endlessness - I agree with you on the blind testing and self suggesting of potency and different experience due to other mixed alkaloids. but when it's so pure it's so easy to burn.. I've never had an issue with burning my spice until now, because its purity.

I did invest in some Lotus leaf, mullien leaf, mogwart and passion flower to make changa.. I read a lot of posts and that seems like the way to go. I made a little bit with 71% ipa and mix of these herbs and rolled a joint.. didnt work out to well. the spice did dissolve completely, so is 71% ok? and no more joints, bong or pipe.

 

[VoidTraveler]

Where to buy d-limonene. Buying d-limo is easy.

The differences between Xylene, naphtha and limo have to do with their polarity(I think) and how "selectively" they dissolve DMT, plants fats and/or other alkaloids. I think Xylene is more selective in the process and leaves out most of the plant fats. However, I'm not chemist and my knowledge in that field is severely limited. A chemist is better of answering these questions.

 

[shaggy.money]

How long did it take for u to do the q21q21 tek?

 

[VoidTraveler]

How long did it take for u to do the q21q21 tek?

Really depends on the person but doing a proper Q21Q21 requires a few days. On day #1 I boil my mhrb in acetic acid for 4 hours, base it with lime until the right consistency is achieved and then I do two pulls with a warm mhrb mixture and warm naphtha. After 24 hours I usually do another two pulls and a week later I usually do the last two pulls.

On the first day expect it to take between 6 and 8 hours, 8 hours if you still have to break/grind your mhrb and around 6 if you already have fibers / powder. Doing a pull after 24 hours or a week takes about an hour in total as I tend to slowly warm up my mush until it's about 55 ~ 60C, do my pulls and stuff it all away again.

 

[shaggy.money]

Thanks. Very helpful. So I would only need to make a hot water bath prior to each pull? I was thinking about using a hdpe bucket and my bathtub. Also is the aroma for this tek intense

 

[Vodsel]

Another possibility to maximize extraction without the salting step of xylene/limo is doing the first 3-4 pulls with naphtha and do a couple last ones with DCM. I've seen nice results.

Edit: Re. smell, not too much IMO. Vinegar cooking seems to be the smelliest part.

 

[Digest Yourself]

shaggy.money - I was pulling in an hour. I let the vinegar mix sit for 30 min.. then mixed lime for 30 min. I'm having great results.. just issues smoking. I still have my muddy mix and intend on doing pulls for the next few weeks.

 

[VoidTraveler]

I've noticed that yields increase with longer vinegar boils. First time I boiled in vinegar for 15 minutes, based and pulled and got a disappointing yield. At that point I used more lime, let it sit for a week with a daily stirring. After that I got good yields and was told I should have boiled longer in vinegar.

 

[Digest Yourself]

I changed to xylene, it pulls a more sticky gooy stuff which eventually hardens. it's still off white. good results.