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Santo Daime.aya preperation?
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People definitely purge at Santo Daime meetings, although their brews taste really nice in my experience. The whole brew is made ceremonially which probably helps the medicine. It is just vine & chacruna, made with fresh plant material in the jungle.
There's definitely vomiting in Santo Daime. I've vomited in Daime ceremonies before and witnessed many others. I've also not vomited . Same with taking at home or with indigenous people. Sometimes you may be many sessions without vomiting , and then you vomit again. There might be a pattern for some people (related to their diet, general health and mental well being etc), but for others it may seem quite random.
I doubt anyone ever really made a statistical analysis to say if in one context or type of ayahuasca preparation there is more or less vomiting
Either way it's generally brewed with psychotria viridis and banisteriopsis caapi. Often they make layers of the vine and leaves, and the amounts are visually estimated by the most experienced. Also depending on the purpose of the ayahuasca (for different kinds of 'works' ) it may be more or less concentrated. The 'feitio' (preparation) is done in a ritualistic manner. Ayahuasca is consumed during the preparation of more ayahuasca, and they will beat down the vine while singing the hymns.
I doubt anyone ever really made a statistical analysis to say if in one context or type of ayahuasca preparation there is more or less vomiting
Either way it's generally brewed with psychotria viridis and banisteriopsis caapi. Often they make layers of the vine and leaves, and the amounts are visually estimated by the most experienced. Also depending on the purpose of the ayahuasca (for different kinds of 'works' ) it may be more or less concentrated. The 'feitio' (preparation) is done in a ritualistic manner. Ayahuasca is consumed during the preparation of more ayahuasca, and they will beat down the vine while singing the hymns.
I had also some drink session with Daime, and I saw different type of brew and the first one, yellow type of brew was very purging for me and lot of other people.
I drunk some other very concentrated black tea that didn't made me purge much. But it can vary and in my experience the purging can be quite ecstatic. It's not something I'd avoid at all cost. But more generally I'd say it's not the Daime tea, it's the manner of the brew and how you feel that will make you or not purge. Generally I'd say more concentrated black shots are less nauseous.
If you chew on little ginger root straight after ( or any good idea to get another after taste - and ginger and canabis can lower nausea in my experience of purge free too ).
I drunk some other very concentrated black tea that didn't made me purge much. But it can vary and in my experience the purging can be quite ecstatic. It's not something I'd avoid at all cost. But more generally I'd say it's not the Daime tea, it's the manner of the brew and how you feel that will make you or not purge. Generally I'd say more concentrated black shots are less nauseous.
If you chew on little ginger root straight after ( or any good idea to get another after taste - and ginger and canabis can lower nausea in my experience of purge free too ).
endlessness said:
Ok i understand ayahuasca ingestion .. may result in a purge or the shits or maybe neither will happen..
I find it very hard to purge I havent vomited in years and years and even when ingesting purvianus cactus powder i didnt vomit only had some minor naseua..
When purging from aya ..how long or how many times till the purging is over can i expect this to happen?..
I ask this because ive read reports where some people clamed to ..[puke for hours].. and that doesnt sound like a good thing...
But if one purges two or three times ..[then your ok wouldent be too bad]..is this the way it happens for most healthy people..?
Also i have no mimosa hostillis ..so i have acacia confusa free base and plan to use...
caapi with acacia oraly.. r
I asume santo daime uses only mimosa or P virdus ..as a dmt source ..
I just want to know what to expect..thankx..
They do not use mimosa in santo daime, only p. viridis.
As for how many times you vomit per session, while I can imagine it being possible that a person vomits repeatedly for hours, I think more commonly (subjective estimation), if people vomit, they do it once or twice during the session, each time lasting a few minutes of shaking/retching/vomiting. For me this is usually preceded by a very intense overwhelming sensation, which can (or not) be connected with reviewing one's past mistakes and wrongdoings. Some people may do it multiple times but personally it's generally been either none, or a couple of moments at most.
YMMV and all of that....
As for how many times you vomit per session, while I can imagine it being possible that a person vomits repeatedly for hours, I think more commonly (subjective estimation), if people vomit, they do it once or twice during the session, each time lasting a few minutes of shaking/retching/vomiting. For me this is usually preceded by a very intense overwhelming sensation, which can (or not) be connected with reviewing one's past mistakes and wrongdoings. Some people may do it multiple times but personally it's generally been either none, or a couple of moments at most.
YMMV and all of that....
Once you're empty, you're empty. Yet looping-retching can occur, fueled by other triggers than a stomach that wishes to release, like psychological ones, ego's games etc....stuck in a pattern of various sorts...
People often come out of such pattern the moment they become informed (e.g. by the escorting crew) about their looping state, consolidated by a smudge or so.
People often come out of such pattern the moment they become informed (e.g. by the escorting crew) about their looping state, consolidated by a smudge or so.
starway6
My opinion ---- >
You already got it right = ---- > " MAY result in a purge or the shits or MAYBE NEITHER will happen. "
Dont let youself to be talked into pukeing or filling your pants . I've never seen or heard of it happening at independant ceremonys . The people that advertise it and / or puke are for example ---- >
1 - People who have been given false information / indoctrinated by victims who have read to much from other victims . The internet spread a lot of information and unfornation and people read it and a lot put their own spin on it and the paranoia grew from there . Now they talk eachother into it .
2 - People with swolen egos that cant admit that they puked / filled their pants because they were afraid . Afraid of the trip . Afraid to give up control to a drug experience . Afraid because they were doing something intime with strangers in a strange place / country .
3 - Because they were over excited . Like a little kid at christmas .
4 - Because the only thing that their gut had seen before was procesed foods 4 times a day . Then they do or dont fast ....... and their stomach gets hit by something it doesnt know . The body detects it and starts sending the brain signals like ......... WTF !!!! ???? HELP !!!!!!! POISON !!!!!! I'M GONNA D-I-E !!!!!! = It pukes to get rid of the poison .
5 - Because the brew was contaminated . For instance ...... Do they have toilet paper ? Wash their hands ?
6 - Becau$e the $howman / " $haman " put something in it to make the $how more compeling for the victim$ / cu$tomer$ ?
" Santo Daime church that their aya brew causes very little purging. "
One reason could be because it was to strong for them so they lowered the dose years ago . Do they want people triping out in a religeous service ? Climbing up the walls like at a Greatfull dead concert ? Talking to eachothers shoes ?
My opinion ---- >
You already got it right = ---- > " MAY result in a purge or the shits or MAYBE NEITHER will happen. "
Dont let youself to be talked into pukeing or filling your pants . I've never seen or heard of it happening at independant ceremonys . The people that advertise it and / or puke are for example ---- >
1 - People who have been given false information / indoctrinated by victims who have read to much from other victims . The internet spread a lot of information and unfornation and people read it and a lot put their own spin on it and the paranoia grew from there . Now they talk eachother into it .
2 - People with swolen egos that cant admit that they puked / filled their pants because they were afraid . Afraid of the trip . Afraid to give up control to a drug experience . Afraid because they were doing something intime with strangers in a strange place / country .
3 - Because they were over excited . Like a little kid at christmas .
4 - Because the only thing that their gut had seen before was procesed foods 4 times a day . Then they do or dont fast ....... and their stomach gets hit by something it doesnt know . The body detects it and starts sending the brain signals like ......... WTF !!!! ???? HELP !!!!!!! POISON !!!!!! I'M GONNA D-I-E !!!!!! = It pukes to get rid of the poison .
5 - Because the brew was contaminated . For instance ...... Do they have toilet paper ? Wash their hands ?
6 - Becau$e the $howman / " $haman " put something in it to make the $how more compeling for the victim$ / cu$tomer$ ?
" Santo Daime church that their aya brew causes very little purging. "
One reason could be because it was to strong for them so they lowered the dose years ago . Do they want people triping out in a religeous service ? Climbing up the walls like at a Greatfull dead concert ? Talking to eachothers shoes ?
Thankx for the great advice..im happy to know that purging may only be a couple times or not at all..
After a little more research on saftey ill probibly make a tea mixture of acacia confusa bark with black or red caapi ..
I dont know if A Confusa bark and Caapi is called ayahuasca or [[Pharma]]??..
...is there much diference?
I have read reports that oral A Confusa can be very strong and unforgiving.. so i guess i should be carefull with dose size..
Anything more to add?.. Im listening...Thanks...
After a little more research on saftey ill probibly make a tea mixture of acacia confusa bark with black or red caapi ..
I dont know if A Confusa bark and Caapi is called ayahuasca or [[Pharma]]??..
...is there much diference?
I have read reports that oral A Confusa can be very strong and unforgiving.. so i guess i should be carefull with dose size..
Anything more to add?.. Im listening...Thanks...
I have no personal experience with Acacia confusa but I don't think it is any more or less 'unforgiving' than any of the other main dmt-containing plants people have been taking.
Considering caapi is the main ayahuasca plant, traditionally, I guess you can just call it ayahuasca, even though acacia confusa is not traditionally used. You could also call it 'ayahuasca analogue' if you prefer. Either way it's not so important.
As for the dosage, definitely read up on it. Check the FAQ and related links on dosage etc. For the sake of simplification, I would consider Acacia confusa to be of an equivalent potency to mimosa hostilis and not take more than 3g for the first experience. In fact as I always recommend, I'd rather first find the right dosage for the specific caapi batch you have by consuming it by itself first, starting at 20-40g, and seeing how it feels. That is usually not a strong amount but if for some reason you have very strong caapi (happened to me before), it is better to play safe and start at lower amounts.
The ideal is to take an ammount of caapi that you can feel in terms of certain light-headedness and light sensitivity, maybe light tracers, but not too much that you get overwhelming loss of coordination/balance, light fobia, extreme nausea, etc. If you don't get enough, then wait for next day before consuming again.
Once you find that dosage, then next time you can add the DMT containing plant.
Good luck
Considering caapi is the main ayahuasca plant, traditionally, I guess you can just call it ayahuasca, even though acacia confusa is not traditionally used. You could also call it 'ayahuasca analogue' if you prefer. Either way it's not so important.
As for the dosage, definitely read up on it. Check the FAQ and related links on dosage etc. For the sake of simplification, I would consider Acacia confusa to be of an equivalent potency to mimosa hostilis and not take more than 3g for the first experience. In fact as I always recommend, I'd rather first find the right dosage for the specific caapi batch you have by consuming it by itself first, starting at 20-40g, and seeing how it feels. That is usually not a strong amount but if for some reason you have very strong caapi (happened to me before), it is better to play safe and start at lower amounts.
The ideal is to take an ammount of caapi that you can feel in terms of certain light-headedness and light sensitivity, maybe light tracers, but not too much that you get overwhelming loss of coordination/balance, light fobia, extreme nausea, etc. If you don't get enough, then wait for next day before consuming again.
Once you find that dosage, then next time you can add the DMT containing plant.
Good luck
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