Sediment, and its effect on potency

[BundleflowerPower]

So I've tried all sorts of ways to make brews, I've done the egg white, letting it settle and decanting it, brew the plants together and separate, as well as different filtering methods. I used to be scared of the sediment, and throwing up, but no longer. The other night I tried something a little different.

So the other day I shared acacia and rue with my friend, I had shared with this person once before but it was very week. This also gave me a chance to teach my friend how to prepare it. We both wanted a powerful experience, what we did is we used 5 g of rue and 7 g of acrb, we boiled them with the usual 3x method, acidified with vitamin C. After this, we filtered it using just a metal screen, letting much of the particulars through, we reduced this, let cool then consumed. We consumed them separate btw, waiting 30 min between the and acacia.

The experience was so powerful. It was by far my most powerful. Within 10 or 15 min of the effects beginning, my friend said, "I understand," then it went on to dissolve any and all boundaries between us. I've taken similar doses before and the difference was simply staggering. This was a total un-layering. After this I'm quite sure that our consciousness isn't solely a product of the brain, as we shared information subconsciously, we shared the experience basically.

So I say if you want a truly extreme aya experience, filter only with a metal screen.

 

[jamie]

many of us have been saying this for years..shake the bottle and drink the sediment.

 

[BundleflowerPower]

many of us have been saying this for years..shake the bottle and drink the sediment.

And I wish I would've listened sooner. I think from now on I'm going to consume it right after I brew it as well, like we did the other night.

I forgot to note that the experience lasted over 8 hours, before we even began to come down. the first hour was quite difficult for both of us, then later on, for a couple of hours my friend was in a state of pure ecxtacy. In fact the cev's didn't seem any brighter than normal, but they were more immersive if that makes any sense. But the feeling of unity and connectedness was out of this world. I suppose it could also have something to do with the person I did it with as well, but it was pure bliss. And neither of us purged. My only regret is not having a pen and paper handy, we have many insights and revelations that I can't remember now.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

You just burst my bubble. My OCD took charge of my whole brew porcess. It HAD to be PERFECT.

So, my mindset was to have the purest and sediment free Tea one could get. The seed of thought that started it all was the concept of entering a float tank during a journey. Absolutely NO PURGING. But, that was not going to be until I have floated a dozen times or so and had several journeys to get the right dosage that I would be comfortable with in a float tank.

Basically, this is what I came up with.

First I do a 2 hour acid boil. I use food grade phosphoric acid to bring the PH down to around 2. I do that for all my boils. Then I place it in my Vitamix blender for a few minutes. With out filtering, I just put it back into the pot and boil it for another 3 hours, then filter it.

I use a polyester compression material from a shirt in an embroidery hoop just larger than the stainless steel pots. The material cannot be stretched (and more porous) because the pour with shoot outwards on a taut material. When it is loose and baggy, it does not do that. For the next boil, all I have to do if flip it over back into the brew pot and pour distilled water back through it to get all the material back into the pot. I use a HD spray bottle that shoots a solid stream, with distilled water in it ALOT. Polyester does not hold water like cotton does and does not hold the magic molecules. But, I do use distilled water every time to flush the material, sediment and magic molecules out of the filter every time.

After the (2+3)+3+3 boils, without reducing the 'reducing pot' I let it cool and then siphon off the top until I hit the sediment. I will not run the distinct settled sediment through the pump. I pour the sediment into a graduated cylinder and let it settle some more and siphon off the top fo that.

For I siphon pump, I use a TOM Aquarium Lifter Pump. It only pulls at 3.5 gallons an hour, so it does not stir up the sediment, like a turkey baster would.

The sediment and material gets combined in an acid soak for a day or so, before it is frozen. I will thaw that out and do another 3 hour boil. I dehydrate the last of the material in a Nesco Food Dehydrator and will burn it on the campfire when I journey. Kind of ceremoniously.

When I freeze the un-reduced tea, I can see that the freezing action forces alot of the micro-sediment to the bottom, and at the top to a lesser degree. When I thaw it out, it sits in the fridge for a couple of weeks. Then I will move it out of the fridge in very slow and gentle manner. Then I siphon off the top, through a Kollercraft TOM Pre-filter before the pump and a coffee filter after the pump. I will not run the distinct settled sediment through the pump, but will pour it into the coffee filter, let it drain, then run distilled water through the pump into the coffee filter.

The coffee filter is a paper filter in a basket shaped permanent filter set in a funnel.

After I am satisfied with a transparent and beautiful color tone, I reduce it and bring the PH back to between 6.5-7 using food grade sodium hydroxide.

It's sitting in the freezer until I feel that I am psychologically, emotionally, and spiritually prepared. For me, its very sacramental.


After I have tried this brew several times, I will try it the 'just a steel filter' method way you described and see if there is a difference for me.

 

[tregar]

I always leave the sediment behind, just leave glass of brew in fridge for 5 days, all of the sediment will have fallen to bottom by then, just decant off the top portion above it. no loss in strength here. Always drink hot (reheat) or else lots of purging for me, stomach hates it cold.

 

[DansMaTete]

I did an experiment : pressure cook 3x30min, combined & reduced, decanted, sediment washed again (after the water have been combined with the previous brew) and i runned extractions on the brew and the sediments. I got 20% of the goodies in the sediments and 80% in the brew.

 

[tregar]

If you ever ruin your extractions, have seen non-consumable caapi extracts out there as well -- they have come along way in recent years, have seen at least half a dozen different kinds.

 

[Nathanial.Dread]

You just burst my bubble. My OCD took charge of my whole brew porcess. It HAD to be PERFECT.

I'm curious, how have you found psychedelics (esp. Ayahuasca) to effect your experience of obsessive-compulsive disorder?

I've had Pure O my whole life, and I've found that psilocybin mushrooms have an almost miraculous effect in quieting my mind and reducing the frequency of ITs (and even though I'm not that compulsive normally, I'm also less likely to give in to the impulses when I do feel the urge to engage in checking behavior).

Blessings
~ND

 

[DeeMenTalist]

Does it work only with acacia? Can I drink mimosa sediment too? I read here on the forums that its better to give sediment fall off before drinking mimosa brew. Because it can be dangerous for health, there is some toxins in the bark or something like that. So many different opinions... I have about 10g left and planning to brew it sometime in foreseeable future. Need to find proper moment in life and state of mind.

 

[Pile of cats]

I believe it's possible to get a near sediment free brew without a noticeable loss in potency.

I boiled 100g powdered mimosa with my pressure cooker 3 times for at least an hour each time and afterwards filtered out as much of the powder and sediment as possible. I then put the mimosa tea in a bottle and into the freezer. The remaining powder / sediment I put into a jar and also put that into the freezer. the day after I thawed both, separated mimosa tea from sediment and then did another boil on the sediment with a large amount of water and then did the above freezing process once again. combined all liquids, tossed the remaining powder / sediment and reduced to 1L

I drank 2.5g mimosa's worth of this tea along with 4g of rue tea and this lead to a incredibly strong experience with OBE's and a meeting with god

5g worth was a 3 - 4 hours journey deep into smoked dmt territory.

Of course I can't prove that I didn't lose a lot by ridding the brew of the sediment but I'm usually a bit of a hardhead when it's come to dosage with pretty much all psychedelics I've tried.

Worth mentioning also that I didn't use any acid during the brewing stage, only filtered water.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

You just burst my bubble. My OCD took charge of my whole brew porcess. It HAD to be PERFECT.

I'm curious, how have you found psychedelics (esp. Ayahuasca) to effect your experience of obsessive-compulsive disorder?

I've had Pure O my whole life, and I've found that psilocybin mushrooms have an almost miraculous effect in quieting my mind and reducing the frequency of ITs (and even though I'm not that compulsive normally, I'm also less likely to give in to the impulses when I do feel the urge to engage in checking behavior).

Blessings
~ND

I want to apologize for being misleading. I don't have clinical OCD, but I can be quite the anal retentive perfectionist. There might be a clinical diagnosis for it, but I just live with it. Most of the time, it serves me well, but sometimes it creates alot of unnecessary work, but to me, in that moment, it is very necasary.

Also, I have never done Aya or DMT, YET! I have only tested my harmala/harmaline brew of caapi and rue on a small first batch I did. From this I decided to NEVER use vinegar again. Yuck.

To be honest, I am a little scared for my first time. I have a strong feeling that I will be one of those that gets their ass kicked, or hyper-slapped. I know I need it, but still I am apprehensive.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

I always leave the sediment behind, just leave glass of brew in fridge for 5 days, all of the sediment will have fallen to bottom by then, just decant off the top portion above it. no loss in strength here. Always drink hot (reheat) or else lots of purging for me, stomach hates it cold.

Not all. If there is still color, there are still very fine particles. But those are not enough to be concerned about for most people, just those with ACD. (Anally Compulsive Disorder). Mine looks like a very light iced tea after I freeze and decant 2-3 times.

Thanks for the tip on reheating. I will do that.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

I believe it's possible to get a near sediment free brew without a noticeable loss in potency.

I boiled 100g powdered mimosa with my pressure cooker 3 times for at least an hour each time and afterwards filtered out as much of the powder and sediment as possible. I then put the mimosa tea in a bottle and into the freezer. The remaining powder / sediment I put into a jar and also put that into the freezer. the day after I thawed both, separated mimosa tea from sediment and then did another boil on the sediment with a large amount of water and then did the above freezing process once again. combined all liquids, tossed the remaining powder / sediment and reduced to 1L

I do basically the same thing with more steps.

I keep the ph around 2 and in a high volume of water while I am working on getting the sediment out. When I am done with that, I will reduce it and bring the ph back to 6.5-7.

Its' been said by other members to never filter after reducing. I am not sure exactly why, but when I do it before reducing and with a low ph, I don't think that I will lose any potency. But I don't know yet.

 

[Jees]

Even the same brew out of same bottle, same dose, will cause a variety of experiences as if they were not same bottle/dosage. If you change one parameter in your brewing style, then one is going to suspect this one parameter to be responsible for the different experience outcome. This leads easily to unjustified conclusions.

 

[Jees]

Note that one sediment is not the other.

All plant material sediment should be exhausted to max degree, or one has not brewed sufficiently. The little plant particles give away their values faster than the bigger pieces, so the fines should become exhausted first and foremost.
You can brew and filter all fine matter out, optional let settle and decant from the sediment there, and just keep the clear liquid, before reducing.

Once reducing, the sediment formed there, differs from plain plant gunk, and I would not discard that.

 

[BundleflowerPower]

You just burst my bubble. My OCD took charge of my whole brew porcess. It HAD to be PERFECT.

I'm curious, how have you found psychedelics (esp. Ayahuasca) to effect your experience of obsessive-compulsive disorder?

I've had Pure O my whole life, and I've found that psilocybin mushrooms have an almost miraculous effect in quieting my mind and reducing the frequency of ITs (and even though I'm not that compulsive normally, I'm also less likely to give in to the impulses when I do feel the urge to engage in checking behavior).

Blessings
~ND

I had or have mild ocd. Aya has in fact helped that quite a bit.

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

many of us have been saying this for years..shake the bottle and drink the sediment.

And I wish I would've listened sooner. I think from now on I'm going to consume it right after I brew it as well, like we did the other night.

I forgot to note that the experience lasted over 8 hours, before we even began to come down. the first hour was quite difficult for both of us, then later on, for a couple of hours my friend was in a state of pure ecxtacy. In fact the cev's didn't seem any brighter than normal, but they were more immersive if that makes any sense. But the feeling of unity and connectedness was out of this world. I suppose it could also have something to do with the person I did it with as well, but it was pure bliss. And neither of us purged. My only regret is not having a pen and paper handy, we have many insights and revelations that I can't remember now.

I've always drank my brews the same or following day I brewed it.

However, Just out of curiosity, how long will a brew remain active? Like a PHS/ACRB/MHRB brew that's been in the back of a refrigerator in a drinking glass, with a plastic baggie covering the top of the glass fairly tightly, but not air tight by any means. It's been there since July 5th, should I throw it out? Or might it still be active?

I have plenty of plants, and can brew fresh brews any time, so if it's gone bad it's no big deal.

Though I do remember terence mckenna telling a story about having a bottle of yage that had been in his fridge for years, he forgot if the shaman said "always shake it" or "never shake it", he ended up shaking the bottle, and said he was overwhelmed by the intensity of the experience.

I always leave the sediment in, what caught my eye was the claimed age of mckenna's brew, can a brew really stay good this long?

Is there an average time period for how long a brew will remain preserved (active) under refrigeration?

-EG

 

[BundleflowerPower]

Idk how long it stays good for, but j usually freeze it, but that makes the sediment fall out, so I don't think I'll do that from now on.

 

[Pile of cats]

I freeze mine and even after all the cleaning I do on the brew a different sediment that looks like small clumps of dmt have fallen out, just needs a good shake and it works as usual.

 

[BundleflowerPower]

To me, there just seems to be something special about drinking the aya right after its brewed. There's something magical about it.