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ohayoco

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A guy told me that he smoked a piece of bark that he was told was "DMT". He then 'saw stuff floating around in front of his eyes'. I thought he must be mistaken and asked him if it wasn't just that he was shown a piece of MHRB, but then given an extraction in the bong. Or that he was actually smoking yopo or vilca seeds, not bark. The guy was adamant it was a piece of bark, which I knew couldn't possibly be MHRB, so I thought he was just confused, or had been caught bullshitting but didn't want to change his story to save face.

I just had a thought... would it be possible to smoke a piece of virola bark and have visions just off that? Or any other bark. Or is this guy telling tall tales? I'm thinking the last but I thought I should ask you all before I write him off as full of it! :)
 
If you have a water bong, you can get visions from smoking high quality mimosa bark. You need to take very large tokes and do it over and over really fast, but it does actually work. The first smoked DMT experience SWIM ever had was form smoking high quality mimosa bark in a bong. As you smoke it, the DMT concentrates near the bottom of the pipe bowl. You smoke as much as you can, and then wait 30 minutes or more before repeating. Keep using the same bowl and refilling it without discarding any of it. Eventually you'll be able to reach a visionary dose. It's all about letting the DMT concentrate in bottom of the pipe bowl.
 
Wow. REALLY? So maybe the guy was telling the truth. When I asked him how big it was, he made a size by rolling his index finger up into his thumb, so it looked like he meant a piece say the size of a thumbnail or two, something like that.
 
P.S. can DMT be smoked through water or does it absorb and thus waste spice? Could be good for getting rid of stray particles of lye.
 
It's all about concentrating the DMT in the same pipe bowl. The first several tokes will do very little, and then you wait 30 minutes, add more to the same pipe without discarding any, and then repeat. Eventually the tokes will produce visions. It’s a form of extraction actually. When you smoke the bark, a lot of the DMT melts down into the bottom bark in the pipe and stays there. As you keep adding more bark and smoking only the top portion in the pipe bowl, you’re building more and more DMT in the bottom bark layer of the pipe bowl. You get it?
 
So no water in the water bong, you just use the bulb to collect smoke, I get it.
What about my question about using water with extracted DMT? Would it waste spice, or protect the throat from lye particles?
 
ohayoco said:
P.S. can DMT be smoked through water or does it absorb and thus waste spice? Could be good for getting rid of stray particles of lye.
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I believe the DMT vapor is in freebase form and poorly soluble in water but I'm not sure about it. I know it's present in the bark as a water soluble salt, but I think applying heat frees the tannic acid from the molecule. It's actually not known what salt form is in the bark. I am assuming it's DMT tannate because the bark has tons of tannic acid.

Maybe the effect is actually from the "jungle spice" in the mimosa? It does feel a little darker than pure DMT.
 
SWIM did not recall using water in the water bong. He just used the bong to collect a large amount of vapor for inhalation purposes.
 
Thanks Ron. That reminds me, SWIM's jungle spice extracted about a gram of yellow stuff.
When smoked, there are the same visions as the white stuff. The difference is that there's no 'noetic lightning rush', just visions. The visions are of equal magnitude, but the colours seemed different, less bright in tone though no less bright in intensity.
Is this just the oxide and not jungle spice? Was pulled with xylene, after all the spice had been exhausted with Bartoline White Spirit (heavy naphtha).
 
Does it last longer than DMT? DMT N-oxide lasts a little longer and has a slower peak and is a little weaker.

I believe that "Jungle spice" is supposed to be a shorter trip than DMT.
 
Not sure about the time. It seemed pretty short. The visions aren't weak, but it's milder emotionally because there's no 'lightning', i.e. it doesn't make you go 'waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!'. You just say 'Mmm look nice visions' and have a nice feeling. DMT without the intensity, no whoosh, no feeling of dying. Some may prefer it. SWIM'll use it when he's not in the mood to have his socks blown off!
 
That sounds like DMT N-Oxide and not "Jungle Spice". DMT N-Oxide is a friendlier more laid back version of DMT. It's not as mentally psychedelic, but still very visual. SWIM prefers it over DMT.
 
Yeah that's what SWIM suspected :(
This means that Bartoline white spirit only pulls nn-DMT. So once the Bartoline had exhaused all the nn, the three xylene pulls took out a load of N-oxide (looks like a gram or more). Dammit so all his jungle spice and maybe some N-oxide went down the toilet. Grr! But at least he got all that lovely yellow stuff out, that would've got flushed too if he hadn't tried to get at the jungle spice.
 
So is it possible to get pure DMT N-Oxide? Is it possible this is the type of DMT in Ayahuasca? Or is it N,N-DMT and the difference in effects is due to the MAOI and oral ingestion? (or is it both?)
 
[quote='Coatl]So is it possible to get pure DMT N-Oxide? Is it possible this is the type of DMT in Ayahuasca?[/quote]

You can make DMT N-Oxide by mixing freebase DMT with 30% hydrogen peroxide and alcohol.

Another way to make DMT N-Oxide is to heat freebase DMT to about 50 C and blow hot air over it for a few hours. Most food dehydrators can be use to make DMT N-Oxide.

Or you can extract the DMT with naphtha or heptane, and that leaves behind all the DMT N-oxide because it's insoluble in naphtha or heptane.

Most of the popular DMT extraction techs use naphtha and so they don't extract any of the DMT N-Oxide. It's really a waste to do that because sometimes more than 50% of the DMT is present as DMT N-Oxide. Especially if the plant material is old or if it's in the form of leaves (like chacruna or chaliponga).

[quote='Coatl]Or is it N,N-DMT and the difference in effects is due to the MAOI and oral ingestion? (or is it both?)[/quote]

It's both. One reason chacruna makes friendlier ayahuasca than mimosa is because chacruna has more DMT N-Oxide than mimosa usually has. That makes the trip smoother, mellower. Also the MAOI does this too but in a different way.
 
Hehe, yes let me compare the two with a little story.

So, SWIM and his friend had what they thought was jungle spice but is now apparently N-oxide, so SWIM loaded up 20mg (a jungle spice dose as its reputedly much stronger). He was hit by a warm loving feeling and saw many entities and patterns in rich dark colours. He could describe to his friend all the stuff he was seeing in the minute or so he was there. It was very gentle and pleasant, but not passionate. A cuddle rather than cosmic sex! 20mg of nn- is much more intense by comparison.

When he came out, his friend said "that wasn't the real deal!" because the intensity was no way there. So SWIM next loaded up 50mg of his white stuff and smoked that instead. Immediately he arched his back and said "TURN THE MUSIC OFF!", then lost all sense of ego, all sense of existence, all sense of exactly what it was he was seeing, the visions were secondary to the out-of-body experience communing with the universe. When he returned to his body, with little memory of what he had seen, elated and humbled, he opened his eyes and saw his friend was being held up and revered by hundreds of little lizardmen, as if he were their god and their job was to ensure that not even his cheeks got tired by the strain of gravity. It was an amazing vision. But yeah, the intensity of nn- hyperspace is sometimes too much, so it's great to have some N-oxide as a 'little brother' for milder trips.
 
ohayoco said:
Thanks Ron. That reminds me, SWIM's jungle spice extracted about a gram of yellow stuff.
When smoked, there are the same visions as the white stuff. The difference is that there's no 'noetic lightning rush', just visions. The visions are of equal magnitude, but the colours seemed different, less bright in tone though no less bright in intensity.
Is this just the oxide and not jungle spice? Was pulled with xylene, after all the spice had been exhausted with Bartoline White Spirit (heavy naphtha).
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Yeah, that's DMT-n-oxide. Had exactly the same thing.
 
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