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Nathanial.Dread
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It's not unheard of for people under the influence of powerful psychedelic drugs to report experiences of telepathy, or other usual forms of resonance.
I'm not entirely sure how much I believe the idea that there is actually some kind of information communication happening there (for one thing, what would the proposed mechanism be). It seems more likely to me that in a highly abstracted and suggestible state of consciousness like that induced by LSD, your brains are retroactively re-interpreting your experiences as you describe them to each other. The associated loss of insight makes it hard to be aware that this is happening.
Just a thought
Blessings
~ND
I'm not entirely sure how much I believe the idea that there is actually some kind of information communication happening there (for one thing, what would the proposed mechanism be). It seems more likely to me that in a highly abstracted and suggestible state of consciousness like that induced by LSD, your brains are retroactively re-interpreting your experiences as you describe them to each other. The associated loss of insight makes it hard to be aware that this is happening.
Just a thought
Blessings
~ND
I had a related experience on mushrooms with a friend.
We were both tripping pretty hard. I began to sense some kind of communication. I looked at him as he looked at me, and could somehow hear him thinking the same thing I was thinking, that we were communicating.
I couldn't be totally sure, but then he said out loud something like "it's like a silent conversation" and I knew it wasn't just my imagination.
We were both tripping pretty hard. I began to sense some kind of communication. I looked at him as he looked at me, and could somehow hear him thinking the same thing I was thinking, that we were communicating.
I couldn't be totally sure, but then he said out loud something like "it's like a silent conversation" and I knew it wasn't just my imagination.
beatenwarrior
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This is awesome to read. I don't know what to make of it but I do know that my trips have been so earthshattering that I begin to believe that there is more to DMT than just what is "in our mind"
The way I can completely forget the beings and and soon as im there again I remember exactly who they are.
The way I can completely forget the beings and and soon as im there again I remember exactly who they are.
Thank you for your report. That sounds like a deeply connecting experience.
When enthnologists first encountered the use of ayahuasca in the Amazon, they gave the active compound found in the vine the name telepathin, because of the states of shared consciousness in groups it produces.
You will find many cultures using strong psychedelic substances and/or different spiritual practices being convinced, that these states connect them to other humans, places, plants and animals through the spirit worlds.
Not having an understanding of the nature of a phenomenon does not negate it's existence. These and many other stories, including your report should give anyone capable of reasoning plenty to think about.
After all the question what consciousness really is, and if the things we encounter on psychedelic journeys exist independtly of the observer and if so, what they may be, have not been answered yet.
Reducing these things to brain activity is IMO materialistic dogma. Not because it is not possible, but because not many people - especially not in academia - are willing or even allowed to consider alternative hypotheses and trying to establish methods to investigate this area.
If you are up to it, you could try to replicate these experiences. For veryfying the effects, you could for example each think of a symbol, write it down beforehand without each other seeing it and try to make the other see your symbol. Then you can draw it later and compare.
When enthnologists first encountered the use of ayahuasca in the Amazon, they gave the active compound found in the vine the name telepathin, because of the states of shared consciousness in groups it produces.
You will find many cultures using strong psychedelic substances and/or different spiritual practices being convinced, that these states connect them to other humans, places, plants and animals through the spirit worlds.
Not having an understanding of the nature of a phenomenon does not negate it's existence. These and many other stories, including your report should give anyone capable of reasoning plenty to think about.
After all the question what consciousness really is, and if the things we encounter on psychedelic journeys exist independtly of the observer and if so, what they may be, have not been answered yet.
Reducing these things to brain activity is IMO materialistic dogma. Not because it is not possible, but because not many people - especially not in academia - are willing or even allowed to consider alternative hypotheses and trying to establish methods to investigate this area.
If you are up to it, you could try to replicate these experiences. For veryfying the effects, you could for example each think of a symbol, write it down beforehand without each other seeing it and try to make the other see your symbol. Then you can draw it later and compare.
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This has happened to me on mushrooms; me and my girlfriend ate a high dose (about 7g each) and for 4 hours of the trip we were lying in bed and felt like one person. We weren't really able to move and were in a trance and shared this deep spiritual connection. On other doses of mushrooms or dmt I have felt this non verbal connection with people, even people that weren't on anything. Me and my buddy would be able to look across the room and know more or less what each other were thinking when we were on mushrooms. This would happen with my gf when we were sober after that one mushroom trip. Its like it connected us forever. We don't talk anymore but last time we did we talked about how even though we don't talk or see each other anymore we can still feel each other when were in times of high stress. That mushroom trip was one of the most beautiful experiences in my life (so far!).
A friend of mine and I were able to control the intensity of the trip for both of us 1 at a time. Like I would be able to lower the overall intensity for him and me, and then when i could no longer do it he was able to.
Great topic! Some thoughts on my encounters... 
On one occasion I actually "pulled" my partner, who was not tripping into my state of consciousness(i think). While laying beside each other, in a deeply ecstatic moment, as if I were automated by something else, I rolled over and held the back of her head, pulling her closer. Sense of self blurred as we found ourselves in some sort of dimensional crossroads, able to observe/become our other selves. I remember asking each other "whats going on?" and "where are we?" which echoed as it unfolded into the most surreal moment of de ja vu. She described what we/I experienced perfectly. Couldn't even begin to fake an explanation for the how on this one.
I have tried to experiment a bit with these things, more often successful when all parties are dosed. Few things I noticed which may or may not be valid in others experiences..
First which probably stands to reason, it only seemed possible with those of whom I had an exceptionally deep connection with from early on. This did go for people I had just met(more like recognized) as well as long time pals. Also have shared experience with 2 other people at a time before.
Second, music/sound seems to play a major roll in easily triggering repeated instances. Particular tunes/tones were almost sure to initiate an event. This may be substance specific to some degree. It also kind of goes without saying that tinkering with sound in deeply altered states can lead to all sorts neato things.
Third, these types of experiences(and the general territory i suppose) seem to open up a can of metaphysical worms, with every co-pilot I've had at my side through these things. Shared coincidences, mutual awareness in absence of contact, shared dreams, general psychic stuff, etc become common place and can last for years after our paths parted. Something to keep in mind if further exploration was the plan.
On one occasion I actually "pulled" my partner, who was not tripping into my state of consciousness(i think). While laying beside each other, in a deeply ecstatic moment, as if I were automated by something else, I rolled over and held the back of her head, pulling her closer. Sense of self blurred as we found ourselves in some sort of dimensional crossroads, able to observe/become our other selves. I remember asking each other "whats going on?" and "where are we?" which echoed as it unfolded into the most surreal moment of de ja vu. She described what we/I experienced perfectly. Couldn't even begin to fake an explanation for the how on this one.
I have tried to experiment a bit with these things, more often successful when all parties are dosed. Few things I noticed which may or may not be valid in others experiences..
First which probably stands to reason, it only seemed possible with those of whom I had an exceptionally deep connection with from early on. This did go for people I had just met(more like recognized) as well as long time pals. Also have shared experience with 2 other people at a time before.
Second, music/sound seems to play a major roll in easily triggering repeated instances. Particular tunes/tones were almost sure to initiate an event. This may be substance specific to some degree. It also kind of goes without saying that tinkering with sound in deeply altered states can lead to all sorts neato things.
Third, these types of experiences(and the general territory i suppose) seem to open up a can of metaphysical worms, with every co-pilot I've had at my side through these things. Shared coincidences, mutual awareness in absence of contact, shared dreams, general psychic stuff, etc become common place and can last for years after our paths parted. Something to keep in mind if further exploration was the plan.
I've thought about this kind of thing a lot - there seems to be something to it. Personally I've not shared visions with other people, but I have had the feeling of being able to communicate in ways- or to perceive things that in a normal state I just can't.
To some degree I think there is actual information that's being transmitted in the regular ways - visual, audio, smell etc. I think the heightened perception is like putting a lot of small things together and reading signs that otherwise you don't pick up on or don't put together to see a picture. Things like breathing patterns, body posture, skin tone, tension in facial muscles, overtones in the voice, frequency of blinking, pulse rate, sweat, etc. can give very clear messages. Dogs for example pick up on a lot of things humans don't or at least don't do so consciously - that's why they always know exactly when you're going to get up, before you actually do, and they know whether you are just going to the bathroom or if it's time to go play outside.
I think in these special trips we kind of tune into this information and suddenly understand it a lot clearer than we do in our normal waking state.
I know this doesn't explain all the phenomena mentioned here, but I thought it was worth a mention. I'm sure there's lots more that we simply don't understand yet about how we are connected, and lots that we aren't considering at all.
To some degree I think there is actual information that's being transmitted in the regular ways - visual, audio, smell etc. I think the heightened perception is like putting a lot of small things together and reading signs that otherwise you don't pick up on or don't put together to see a picture. Things like breathing patterns, body posture, skin tone, tension in facial muscles, overtones in the voice, frequency of blinking, pulse rate, sweat, etc. can give very clear messages. Dogs for example pick up on a lot of things humans don't or at least don't do so consciously - that's why they always know exactly when you're going to get up, before you actually do, and they know whether you are just going to the bathroom or if it's time to go play outside.
I think in these special trips we kind of tune into this information and suddenly understand it a lot clearer than we do in our normal waking state.
I know this doesn't explain all the phenomena mentioned here, but I thought it was worth a mention. I'm sure there's lots more that we simply don't understand yet about how we are connected, and lots that we aren't considering at all.
Yes, all of those things and then some probably do play into, if not outright cause those shared hallucinatory experiences. Similar to how groups taking ayahuasca and sharing visions is likely heavily influenced by things like drumming as well as a ritualistic setting and so forth. Whatever it is that seems to occur beyond simply sharing hallucinations however is probably facilitated by those sorts of pre existing conditions.
I've wondered a lot about date/time/cosmic events/astrological ties to some of these things and if one couldn't somehow map out dates that would increase the likelihood of experiencing some of the more profound and unexplainable phenomena.
I've wondered a lot about date/time/cosmic events/astrological ties to some of these things and if one couldn't somehow map out dates that would increase the likelihood of experiencing some of the more profound and unexplainable phenomena.
Cascadeimage
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My accounts of shared experiences have led me to believe that they are not time dependent. There is a trigger, or has been, for me personally and my friends. Usually the trigger is either music or location. i.e. I would go into a different room, lay down, then suddenly fall into an intense visual experience. Then later a friend would say they saw that exact same thing 30 minutes ago on that couch. Stuff like that.
For me, this kind of thing is the "final frontier" of psychedelics. I take it very seriously. If it does exist, then my primary interest would be in falsifying the account and moving forward, because extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. But all we can do is observe and say...why is this happening? And why has it happened so many times to so many different people? It's fun to speculate. But at the end of the day, it's always best to take fastidious notes of the account so as to gather evidence. But that's not always easy considering the state of mind that you fall into! Peace and safe travels.
For me, this kind of thing is the "final frontier" of psychedelics. I take it very seriously. If it does exist, then my primary interest would be in falsifying the account and moving forward, because extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. But all we can do is observe and say...why is this happening? And why has it happened so many times to so many different people? It's fun to speculate. But at the end of the day, it's always best to take fastidious notes of the account so as to gather evidence. But that's not always easy considering the state of mind that you fall into! Peace and safe travels.
I'm not sure how to activate or direct the link, but I've definitely perceived it before, in several different ways. It's even happened without the influence of psychedelics, but I don't think I would have recognized it without my experience with psychedelics. Whether love or anger, it would seem the internal emotional intention of a person can be shared or leaked if it's intense enough.
With a few different lovers and best friends, I've had this link of synchronized communication. I may be thinking about them, intending to ask them a question or share a thought with them; then boom, I get a text, call, email, they pop around the corner, etc. Some may say coincidence, but it's happened often and strangely enough to catch my attention.
I've also noticed a link with my parents, specifically my father. Several times last year I would awaken from intense dreams where my father and I were arguing. There was a lot of stress and spiritual turmoil in the household, and my father's always been an archetype of anger and discipline in my life. These nightmares were notably more vivid than the average dream and were always followed by an intense argument with my father in real life. Even when I had one of the dreams while out of town, I later discovered that my dad had found reason to become furious with me in that same moment.
I saved the best and most relevant accounts for last... One of my best psychonaut friends and I have had two separate incidents of 'telepathy' with Ayahuasca. It was like two people approaching each other and both choosing to divert in the same direction to avoid colliding. Followed by additional diversions to untangle each other from the same path. It's unexpected, funny, and probably not intentionally replicatable. The first time, we caught each other's glance and seemed to recognize the exact same thought in each other's eyes, followed by parallel looks of astonishment, then acknowledgement, disbelief, and hilarity. Was an entirely silent interaction that lasted about 30 seconds that we were both aware and focused on. It even felt somewhat natural and familiar, until we burst out laughing from the strangeness of it and dissipated back into separate egos. We later reviewed the exchange, affirming the synchronicity.
The second time, we were two of 7, taking pharma together on valentine's this year. Was a beautiful night with very compassionate and aware people, allowing for lots of similar, less intense links that I was perceiving. Most notably though was toward the end of the night when everyone was relaxing in silence as my same friend played some freestyle guitar. I was writing in a notebook and listening, rocking in my chair. During one of the twangs, I could feel this energy of emotion whip up my back, and I involuntarily shrugged my shoulder to the beat. I immediately took notice of this loosened gesture and realized it was not just foreign, but the exact way my friend playing guitar normally shrugs his shoulders in a gesture of relief. Before I could even turn halfway to look back at my friend sitting behind me, he let out this guffaw of astonishment, and I knew he'd just seen what happened and recognized it too. I gave him a chuckle and nod of acknowledgement; the rest was known.
With a few different lovers and best friends, I've had this link of synchronized communication. I may be thinking about them, intending to ask them a question or share a thought with them; then boom, I get a text, call, email, they pop around the corner, etc. Some may say coincidence, but it's happened often and strangely enough to catch my attention.
I've also noticed a link with my parents, specifically my father. Several times last year I would awaken from intense dreams where my father and I were arguing. There was a lot of stress and spiritual turmoil in the household, and my father's always been an archetype of anger and discipline in my life. These nightmares were notably more vivid than the average dream and were always followed by an intense argument with my father in real life. Even when I had one of the dreams while out of town, I later discovered that my dad had found reason to become furious with me in that same moment.
I saved the best and most relevant accounts for last... One of my best psychonaut friends and I have had two separate incidents of 'telepathy' with Ayahuasca. It was like two people approaching each other and both choosing to divert in the same direction to avoid colliding. Followed by additional diversions to untangle each other from the same path. It's unexpected, funny, and probably not intentionally replicatable. The first time, we caught each other's glance and seemed to recognize the exact same thought in each other's eyes, followed by parallel looks of astonishment, then acknowledgement, disbelief, and hilarity. Was an entirely silent interaction that lasted about 30 seconds that we were both aware and focused on. It even felt somewhat natural and familiar, until we burst out laughing from the strangeness of it and dissipated back into separate egos. We later reviewed the exchange, affirming the synchronicity.
The second time, we were two of 7, taking pharma together on valentine's this year. Was a beautiful night with very compassionate and aware people, allowing for lots of similar, less intense links that I was perceiving. Most notably though was toward the end of the night when everyone was relaxing in silence as my same friend played some freestyle guitar. I was writing in a notebook and listening, rocking in my chair. During one of the twangs, I could feel this energy of emotion whip up my back, and I involuntarily shrugged my shoulder to the beat. I immediately took notice of this loosened gesture and realized it was not just foreign, but the exact way my friend playing guitar normally shrugs his shoulders in a gesture of relief. Before I could even turn halfway to look back at my friend sitting behind me, he let out this guffaw of astonishment, and I knew he'd just seen what happened and recognized it too. I gave him a chuckle and nod of acknowledgement; the rest was known.
beatenwarrior
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Well don't you dream? you're recreating that effect every night. 
I find it amazing that dreams can host unique scenes with separate entities. But they're all you; we're all it, like cards in a deck. It's just the illusion of separation that allows for the characters and events. And when you wake, the dream is revealed that all the separate hands were truly yours. I suspect life will work out the same.
Don't read into the visuals too literally, DMT visuals are very subjective and metaphorical. Often one trip could have many of those scenes in series. I think your spaceship traveling was just a token to comprehend and remember it by. For me, I remember it like a television that was receiving thousands of channels at once and I was watching and experiencing them all in a single, timeless moment. For other people, it may be understood differently. Careful not to impress your version upon other people. It's cool to let them interpret it their own way. My friends and I always stay respectfully silent until each other have fully come down before we share.
I find it amazing that dreams can host unique scenes with separate entities. But they're all you; we're all it, like cards in a deck. It's just the illusion of separation that allows for the characters and events. And when you wake, the dream is revealed that all the separate hands were truly yours. I suspect life will work out the same.Don't read into the visuals too literally, DMT visuals are very subjective and metaphorical. Often one trip could have many of those scenes in series. I think your spaceship traveling was just a token to comprehend and remember it by. For me, I remember it like a television that was receiving thousands of channels at once and I was watching and experiencing them all in a single, timeless moment. For other people, it may be understood differently. Careful not to impress your version upon other people. It's cool to let them interpret it their own way. My friends and I always stay respectfully silent until each other have fully come down before we share.
beatenwarrior
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Cascadeimage
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Ah, but it is all real since it's inside your head. The very idea of "not real" implies that it's nowhere to be found. But if it's inside your head, I would consider that a place 
I think this sort of thing is very common. I've had shared visions/telepathy/experiences with people in a number of ways and been with others who had it as well, including very specific visions. If you look into how the more archaic tribes use ayahuasca you find that this is often common knowledge. Wizard of the upper amazon, a book that recalls a boys experience in the early 1900s where he was kidnapped by a tribe and eventually made their chief and master ayahuasca shaman over the years (before he had a vision of his mother getting sick and dying and escaped, only to find it had just happened), describes how large parts of the tribe would take the brew together and go on a shared visionary journey guided by the chief through song.
Everyone's skeptical until it happens over and over again in ever deeper ways that virtually defy all possibility of it being some kind of self-suggestion, mental trick, or wishful thinking. I think the evidence of telepathy even has interesting and fairly heavy support in academic settings but I've talked about that in many other threads already. Most is just ignored because it's to contradictory to their reality-tunnels.
You're very lucky to have a partner who will journey deep with you like that! It really expands the possibilities.
Everyone's skeptical until it happens over and over again in ever deeper ways that virtually defy all possibility of it being some kind of self-suggestion, mental trick, or wishful thinking. I think the evidence of telepathy even has interesting and fairly heavy support in academic settings but I've talked about that in many other threads already. Most is just ignored because it's to contradictory to their reality-tunnels.
You're very lucky to have a partner who will journey deep with you like that! It really expands the possibilities.
