Solvents in Australia

[DMTPanda]

Taking a stroll through a local Bunnings the other day, SWIM could really only find Shellite and Xylene as solvents for extraction.
Shellite leaving an oily residue and Xylene stinking like a major chemical spill, are there any other solvents that could be suggested to SWIM?

Toluene I believe is highly carcinogenic.

D-Limonene sounds ideal for its smell, safety, and pulling ability however I'm pretty sure it's not an available product in Australia.

Are there any other suggestions of what products that can be used for extracting Obtusifolia?

 

[reun]

Yep, extracting freebase from acacia acuminata. After mini a/b (some people call it a defat or backsalt) if you want solid white crystal and not goo with acacia you need to use shellite or n-heptane to freeze precip, so if your shellite is impure it will leave residue amongst the crystals at the end. I personally would definitely not consume this as it is and would never recommend anyone do so either, however there are a few ways to remove the shellite impurities after this that I'm aware of most of which involve redissolving the freebase in a cleaner solvent. The best way according to what I've read online is to recrystallize with n-heptane but as we know it's difficult/risky to acquire in Aus. Also if you have pure heptane there would not be a need for this as the final product would already be free of impurity from clean evap, assuming appropriate purification steps were taken prior to the final freeze precip. I've also read you can redissolve the freebase in anhydrous acetone to free the remaining shellite impurities and evaporate that. The other options are to use D-limonene for the final pulls of the extraction and slow evap that for a food safe pure dmt goo, or you can make an infused leaf blend by redissolving the freebase in isopropyl alcohol and adding this to a herb/leaf blend, (i just use plain mullein) allowing it to soak for a day or 2 then throughly drying the infused mix over a few days. So far my blends have been without issue, clean smooth smoke and no unwanted side effects. If any experts would like to chime in and explain if any of this is incorrect I'm always happy to learn and definitely don't intend to spread misinformation

Thanks for sharing!

The backsalt option doesn't sound appealing because it still requires heptane, so if you have that, you might as well do it right the first time.

I've found a few chemistry labs that seem to sell lab-grade heptane, but I feel a little uncomfortable about ordering it. You mentioned that it is difficult and risky to acquire this stuff -- do you know anything about that? I was trying to figure out just how risky would that be.

I thought that D-limonene does not freeze-precipitate either, but you're saying that it can be used to extract smokable freebase? It is much easier to find that stuff and it is far less dangerous to work with. It sounds like you've found a tek to extract freebase without heptane or shellite/naphtha -- would appreciate if you could share the details behind this tek!

 

[MrAcuminata]

So, you've been using Diggers even with failing evap tests? I thought it would produce a toxic product, isn't it so?

I'd love to hear about the "infused leaf with isopropyl alcohol to solve the residue problem" part! You are not talking about extracting freebase though, right?

Yep, extracting freebase from acacia acuminata. After mini a/b (some people call it a defat or backsalt) if you want solid white crystal and not goo with acacia you need to use shellite or n-heptane to freeze precip, so if your shellite is impure it will leave residue amongst the crystals at the end. I personally would definitely not consume this as it is and would never recommend anyone do so either, however there are a few ways to remove the shellite impurities after this that I'm aware of most of which involve redissolving the freebase in a cleaner solvent. The best way according to what I've read online is to recrystallize with n-heptane but as we know it's difficult/risky to acquire in Aus. Also if you have pure heptane there would not be a need for this as the final product would already be free of impurity from clean evap, assuming appropriate purification steps were taken prior to the final freeze precip. I've also read you can redissolve the freebase in anhydrous acetone to free the remaining shellite impurities and evaporate that. The other options are to use D-limonene for the final pulls of the extraction and slow evap that for a food safe pure dmt goo, or you can make an infused leaf blend by redissolving the freebase in isopropyl alcohol and adding this to a herb/leaf blend, (i just use plain mullein) allowing it to soak for a day or 2 then throughly drying the infused mix over a few days. So far my blends have been without issue, clean smooth smoke and no unwanted side effects. If any experts would like to chime in and explain if any of this is incorrect I'm always happy to learn and definitely don't intend to spread misinformation

I'm sorry, your question about infusing leaf prompted me to give it more thought and after a bit more research I have realised that this method is probably not viable because if the shellite impurities are solid, rather than what I originally thought about it being able to seperate from the dmt and evaporate out, it would more likely just dissolve and infuse into the leaf along with the dmt. I no longer recommend this as a workaround for impure shellite and apologise for spreading potentially hamful advice. I'm hoping that Sceneys will prove a reliable product and will instead switch to d-limonene to use for leaf infusion or just take the plunge and order the darned heptane.

 

[MrAcuminata]

It sounds like you've found a tek to extract freebase without heptane or shellite/naphtha -- would appreciate if you could share the details behind this tek!

Negative, my tek calls for the use of shellite/naphtha OR heptane before the freeze precip, sorry if that wasn't clear. A backsalt is not really necessary for Mimosa, but essential for acacia if you want crystal and a much higher concentration of JUST dmt and not the other alks present in acacia. If you were to substitute the shellite for d-limonene at the pulling stage you would not be able to freeze it, a slow evaporation would be required and the final result would be a food safe, pure goo assuming your d limonene is food grade. This goo however is still pure dmt freebase and can definitely be vaporized or used to make a leaf blend or to mix with PG for vape carts. The downside is it's sticky, hard to weigh/dose.

 

[reun]

Negative, my tek calls for the use of shellite/naphtha OR heptane before the freeze precip, sorry if that wasn't clear. A backsalt is not really necessary for Mimosa, but essential for acacia if you want crystal and a much higher concentration of JUST dmt and not the other alks present in acacia. If you were to substitute the shellite for d-limonene at the pulling stage you would not be able to freeze it, a slow evaporation would be required and the final result would be a food safe, pure goo assuming your d limonene is food grade. This goo however is still pure dmt freebase and can definitely be vaporized or used to make a leaf blend or to mix with PG for vape carts. The downside is it's sticky, hard to weigh/dose.

I see! I'm not a chemist and I'm still learning about some fundamentals here, so I may be asking naive questions at times!

Well, it sounds like a high-quality shellite is mandatory if you want to extract DMT crystals, however, if, for whatever reason this option is not available, then you can still extract smokable jungle spice, it'll just be harder to manage. That is reassuring to know. While I'd love to try pharmahuasca, I would still love to have the option to smoke DMT, so as long as there is a usable tek to achieve this in the absence of shellite, we have something to work with.

Anyway, as noted earlier, Sceneys shellite passed my evap test, if that failed, I could still try Bosca, and if that failed, then I could attempt to order lab-grade heptane (which I would feel very uneasy about). But for now, I have what I need for a few rounds of extraction.

 

[MrAcuminata]

I see! I'm not a chemist and I'm still learning about some fundamentals here, so I may be asking naive questions at times!

Well, it sounds like a high-quality shellite is mandatory if you want to extract DMT crystals, however, if, for whatever reason this option is not available, then you can still extract smokable jungle spice, it'll just be harder to manage. That is reassuring to know. While I'd love to try pharmahuasca, I would still love to have the option to smoke DMT, so as long as there is a usable tek to achieve this in the absence of shellite, we have something to work with.

Anyway, as noted earlier, Sceneys shellite passed my evap test, if that failed, I could still try Bosca, and if that failed, then I could attempt to order lab-grade heptane (which I would feel very uneasy about). But for now, I have what I need for a few rounds of extraction.

I am no chemist either my friend. The majority of my knowledge has been from info I found right here on the Nexus, reading through all the old threads about any topic you could imagine! I'm hoping to find some of the Sceneys myself at the art supplies stores in my area, if that passes the evap then we're golden. If not, I will be experimenting with using D-Limonene in place of shellite and making a leaf blend using the goo. Leaf blends are handy for people who don't have access to a good vape setup, which is a common issue with vapes being made illegal here in Aus. Will post results when I have them! Also excited to see how yours go too!

 

[reun]

I am no chemist either my friend. The majority of my knowledge has been from info I found right here on the Nexus, reading through all the old threads about any topic you could imagine! I'm hoping to find some of the Sceneys myself at the art supplies stores in my area, if that passes the evap then we're golden. If not, I will be experimenting with using D-Limonene in place of shellite and making a leaf blend using the goo. Leaf blends are handy for people who don't have access to a good vape setup, which is a common issue with vapes being made illegal here in Aus. Will post results when I have them! Also excited to see how yours go too!

Just wanted to make a suggestion concerning vapes: I will be travelling soon, so I might be able to get some overseas, but my backup option is BrandMyDispo, which seems to offer international deliveries. It'll be quite expensive, but may be worth a shot.

 

[Transform]

If you get really desperate, you may have to considei growing a plantation of Pinus jeffreyi:

Pinus jeffreyi - Wikipedia

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Edit: maybe Pittosporum resiniferum would be quicker:

Pittosporum resiniferum - Wikipedia

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