Sprouting morning glory first?

[Cognitive Heart]

Tregar is now featured on Graham Hancock's website regarding this supposed 'LSI.'

LSI, Ancient LSD, Secret of the Eleusis Kykeon and Vedic SOMA

https://grahamhancock.com/stahlm1/

 

[Transform]

The Aojiru young barley grass powder supplies extremely high levels of the 3 aldehydes: isovaleraldehyde, valeraldehyde, and crotonaldehyde which condense onto the amide of LSA when stirred for 10 minutes in tartaric acid acidified water, forming a 2oz brew containing Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldamide, Lysergic Acid Valeraldamide, and Lysergic Acid Crotonaldamide for a triple psychedelic combination just as powerful as LSD

Sorry to say, but the highlighted names are using made up nomenclature. These claims also require some analytical evidence to back them up.

For me the main question might be whether anyone is going to attempt to get hold of the book he's promoting, since it could do with a peer-review.

A PDF would do, I can offer my expert proof-reading skills by way of exchange @tregar @ava69 @Matthew Stahl …

 

[Transform]

A couple of quotes:

tregar, you can't use science just when it suits your pre-conceived beliefs, but ignore all the science whenever it goes against your ideas.

The problem is not that you have a theory or belief, even if it goes against scientific reasoning. You are totally allowed to express them, and I actually think it's good to think outside the box. The problem is that you disguise these beliefs and speculations as if they are scientific truths, using absolute words ("this is happening" "it is..." ) and burying this in long posts between unrelated or misinterpeted sources and quotes from other places.

And whenever your ideas are questioned with logic and scientific reasoning, you refuse to answer the specific points, which is the only way this can be a productive conversation, and rather hide behind "try it and you´ll see" or use some other sort of logical fallacy (that such and such person or culture liked that combination, for example)

If you would be clear these are your beliefs or hypothesis, with disclaimers and not absolute words, and also you'd respond to the specific counter arguments brought by others, I'd love your posts and your desire to experiment, to have direct experiences with things, to think outside the box, to try to innovate. I'd be excitedly reading this thread and congratulating you and others involved on the discussion.

Instead, because of the issues mentioned above, what is happening is this thread is going away from the quality of information required in our attitude page, and we're having to step in and say these things here, maybe generating some discomfort.

I hope you understand this is not a personal attack, i mean this in a constructive way and hope we can transform this into a productive discussion in line with this community's standards

Dear me, the bullshit in that thread…
100% evidence that it's the (multiple-times) banned member @tregar

Probably got his PM function suspended pre-emptively if any of the admins there knew anything what he's like, basically a serious security risk.

It does seem that the claim of having single-handedly "invented" the harmaline to THH zinc conversion also identifies him as being @69ron, although he comes across as an inveterate bullshitter so a healthy pinch of salt also seems required with that one. Zinc reduction is a laboratory method almost as old as chemistry itself, btw.

As for concealing the identity of the isovaleraldehyde-containing plant-admixture for proprietary purposes (i.e., publishing a book), that's simply pathetic, as well as going against the Nexus ethos of 'Learn-Share-Expand'.
I'm sure we can dig up the identity of the plant and share this knowledge accordingly (like on wikipedia, etc.)

(Apols for slight derailment, but this needs to be made clear.)

 

[JungleGhost]

Thnk smebdy jus wanted 2 write a book. Ima keep researching.

 

[Cognitive Heart]

This pretty much summed it up for me. If you read it thoroughly he openly states offering and selling his concoctions internationally to those interested because "they work." Highly suspicious behavior on their part.

TEK - LSI, Ancient LSD, Secret of the Eleusis Kykeon and Vedic SOMA