Stirring the pot

[URBY]

I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!

I know I stirred the pot pretty hard last night.

Thank you all again for participating.

Especially you Albert! You never really gave any counterpoints but you certainly fed the fire. THANK YOU

 

[AlbertKLloyd]

I find you very interesting.
I really don't want to give counterpoints.



You mentioned 2 salvia experiences, and state that you have very limited experience with mind expanding drugs.

I am not aware of if you have or have not tried DMT... however you did say that you have been having spontaneous DMT like experiences without any drug. Have you done DMT?

I see you brought up David Icke, have you been reading his work?

You say that there is an ascension, may I ask if you have a time frame for this?

If for example it does not occur within a specific time frame, will you ever believe that perhaps you were wrong? Conversely I can say that if you give me a timeframe, and it happens in that time frame, I would have zero problems saying you were right.

I don't know you well enough to have an attachment to you, so I can't say I love you, but I am beginning to like you.

 

[URBY]

I have not tried DMT. That is a huge reason I chose this place to speak when it was shown to me. The descriptions of its users and of mine are very similar to each other.

I was researching an ENTIRELY different subject when the nexus presented itself to me. I was not told about it by any person or being. It showed up in my digging and here I am. I felt drawn, welcomed by what I found here.

Yes, I have looked into Mr Icke's writings and "teachings". He is a bit of a sensationalist (not too much unlike me last night but I have calmed myself since) to really draw me in but ALOT of what he is saying is true. I wont get into what in this reply but I will draw parallels between our respective perspectives if asked.

What I am saying could very well be DEAD WRONG in regards to some but it is not to me. My resolve and passion make that pretty clear. These opinions are described in absolute terms but that is to provide a SOLID construct(idea) to be examined by the many people here. Like building a playhouse out of cement rather than wet sand.

I dont wish to force any of this on any body. Noone MUST click that link and read what I have to say, Ive been repeating that in various ways from the start.

I wish to draw attention to the subject. Where our attention goes, our energy flows. I want other (positive)opinions to help shape what I believe. I want other (negative)opinions to show up so THEY can be discussed, confirmed, shaped, and dismissed by way of "fleshing them out".

Yes, what I am saying is RADICAL. Yes, what I am saying is BLASPHEMY to some. Yes, it is many things people dont like to admit. Yes, it is more than some people even have the ability to understand.

But I want to talk about it. I NEED to hear the voices of those that do understand where I am coming from with this. It is NOT the full picture. It is NOT all there is. It IS important to me.

Please dont see me as mentally wounded by it or unstable. Come to me with your thoughts on it and I will absorb and consider them. I only ask that everyone return the favor

 

[AlbertKLloyd]

Since you have not experienced DMT, you won't mind if I have a problem with you stating that you have experienced DMT like states.

I would not say that what you are saying is blasphemy or radical at all, far from it. It perfectly fits a specific type of personality and behavior pattern. It is even to be expected from a small minority of people.


I do have a question, have you ever experienced a traumatic event?

 

[URBY]

Death by drowning at the age of 3. a ford f150 once collided into the driver door of my 88 camaro at 60+ miles per hour. I literally walked away with minor scratches from glass debris and that alone. I heard the impact. I did not feel it.

It has been brought to my attention that when I 'trip' I never leave my energy body. only my physical one.

The DMT experience is to a MUCH higher frequency than what I experience. Let it be known I have not traveled as deep as a DMT user and I will no longer claim to have done so.

 

[eprec]

I will provide to you, delightful readers, a host of quotes from a wonderful book im reading of Baghwan Rajneesh. I offer them as delightful inspiration and food for your hyperspatial flower.

A Zen Story:
Just before the Zen Master, Ninakawa, passed away another Zen master, Ikkyu, visited him. "Shall I lead you on?" Ikkyu asked.

Ninakawa replied, "I came here alone and I go alone. What help could you be to me?"

Ikkyu answered, "If you think you really came and you are really going, if you think that you come and go, that is your delusion. Let me show you the path on which there is no coming and no going."

With his words Ikkyu had revealed the path so clearly that Ninakawa smiled, and without saying a single word, nodded and passed away.

It was decided to send a monkey and a politician to the moon. Their instructions on what to do after landing were sealed into pockets in their suits. As soon as they had touched down on the lunar landscape, the monkey opened his set of instructions.

It read:

Check all fuel tanks.
Check computer and re-program the same.
Take samples of rock, sand and air.
Check oxyen levels and density.
Check landing craft for damage
Check stabilizers and anti-gravity devices.
Then send radio message down to earth reporting position.​

Then the politician opened his sealed instructions. It said in big letters: FEED THE MONKEY!!!

Jesus says "When you are facing God He will give you not because you have done this or you have done that-not because of your worth-but because He has so much, He is burdened, He is burdened like a cloud full of rain. It has to rain not because the earth is worthy. Have you not watched the clouds come? and they rain on all kinds of soil. They rain on stones, rocks, they rain on fertile soil; they rain also on wastelands where nothing grows and nothing will ever grow."

And the Master laughed... and the mountains must have laughed with him, and the trees. It is said that around that monastery, still, after thousands of years, sometimes that laughter is heard. He laughed and said, "You fool! Before enlightenment I used to chop wood, I used to carry water. Now water is carried, wood is chopped. I am not the doer; that is the difference.

The old pond
Frog jumps in
The sound of water

I Recall a young man who was applying for admission to one of the most exclusive country clubs in Newport. The rather reserved, unimpressive-looking young man was notified that he must play a round of golf with the club officers as a prerequisite to his acceptance.

On the appointed afternoon he met them on the first tee equipped with a hockey stick, a croquet mallet and a billiard cue. The officers looked him over incredulously but nevertheless proceeded to tee off. To their dismay the young man coolly drove off 275 yards with the hockey stick, gracefully arched his second shot to the green with the croquet mallet and sank a twenty-foot putt with a billiard cue.

After soundly drubbing the baffled officers with a subpar 68, the applicant retired with them to the club bar. There he ordered a Scotch and soda, and when it arrived he mixed the drink himself by tossing the contents of the shot glass over his shoulder into the waiting soda behind him on the bar. This further display of the young mans incredible physical coordination was too much for the officers of the club.

"You are miraculous!" they exclaimed. "What is the story behind these fantastic talents of yours?"

"All my life," the man explained, "physical activity of any sort has been child's play for me. To overcome the boredom that has resulted from my monotonous mastery of everything, I try to do almost everything the most difficulw way possible. Thus I play tennis with a ping-pong paddle, ping-pong with a tennis racket, and so on."

"Wait a minute," unterrupted one of the club officers. "If it is true, as you say, that you do everything physical in the most difficult manner possible, I have one question..."

"I know," Said the young man, smiling. "Everyone asks me the same thing, and I don't mind telling you - standing up, in a hammock."

Krishna said, "Okay"
And then it happened, one of the most beautiful stories that has ever happened between a Master and a dicuple: Krishna became huge and Krishna became infinite and worlds started rotating within him, and Arjuna was frightened. Krishna had millions of hands and all the stars and all the planets within him. And life and death within him, all polarities meeting and merging in him. It was a chaos. Arjuna thought he must be going mad. He closed his eyes in fear, and he cried and shouted, "Come back! Come back to your ordinary form with two hands. Be my old friend again. This is too much!"

Krishna came back and he said, "I knew it. You are not yet ready to have the taste of totality." Totality will frighten you. Its sheer vastness is such, it is going to frighten you out of your wits. It is abysmal, and you will start disappearing into it like a soap-bubble. It is so vast that you will lose all orientation of who you are.

That's what happened to Arjuna. And he said, "Yes, I was feeling as if I was going to die, or as if I was going to be mad, or as if I had already gone mad. Thank you for coming back to your original form."
And Krishna said, "This is not my original form. That was my original form."

In the personal bodily existence of the individual they are represented by two other polarities, anima and animus. All during the life of the individual these two are in conflict, each striving for mastery.

If the life-energy flows downward, that is, without let or hindrance into the outer world, the anima is victorious over the animus; no golden flower is developed

If the life-energy is led through the 'backward-flowing' process, that is, conserved, and made to 'rise' instead of allowed to dissipate, the animus has been victorious.

The Golden Flower is waiting at the highest peak of your being. In the yoga map it is called sahasrar, one-thousand-petalled lotus. It is the seventh-chakra- in your head. the lowest is the sex chakra, muladhar, and the highest is the seventh chakra, sahasrar. From the lowest chakra, energy moves down-ward, creates new life. If the energy is conserved, helped to move upwards, it reaches one day to the sahasrar- and the Golden Flower blooms.

Just as the green sap moves in a tree, man is also a tree. And this is not a new symbol that I am using- of man as a tree- it is one of the most ancient symbols. It has been used in the Jewish mystical schools: it is called the Tree of Life. Just as Buddhism has reached to its crescendo in Zen, and Islam in Sufism, Judaism has reached its ultimate peaks in the Kabbala.

 

[AlbertKLloyd]

Well, as a DMT user, but one who can only speak for themselves, I can't say that DMT caused me to travel "deep" in any way.

I do not understand what you are talking about frequency, for me DMT just changes the filters of perception in a way that is predictable when it comes down to neurochemistry.

I do not advocate it being a spirit molecule, or involving deities or dimensions. It may well involve those things, but that simply has not been my experience.

In my case at least, you very well may travel "deeper".

 

[URBY]

Well, as a DMT user, but one who can only speak for themselves, I can't say that DMT caused me to travel "deep" in any way.

I do not understand what you are talking about frequency, for me DMT just changes the filters of perception in a way that is predictable when it comes down to neurochemistry.

I do not advocate it being a spirit molecule, or involving deities or dimensions. It may well involve those things, but that simply has not been my experience.

In my case at least, you very well may travel "deeper".

Deep was a very poor choice of word indeed. In the terms of my construct you travel to 'higher' frequencies, densities, dimensions than my "tuner" has been in contact with. You have perceived things I cannot perceive. The beings you have met are of a higher order than most of the ones I have been in contact with.

Filters is absolutely the correct term.

thought: The divine light travels through whatever filters before it reaches the central sun of our galaxy, then to our sun, then to us. The light is broken down through the "filters" or "lenses" that are those two suns are. I cannot claim to grasp any more than that.

 

[nwosidsalp]

Given the amazing inventive power of our brains demonstrated by their construction of the reality we normally experience, it seems strange to me that people attach such certainty to their experiences in alternate ones. Why aren't you more skeptical?

 

[cyb]

URBY
Have you heard of Nassim Haramein ?

If not I would urge you to check his vids on you tube and his websites.
Especially watch 'Black Whole' vid.

If you havn't come across him yet, he may just help with your model... or knock it sideways :d

 

[AlbertKLloyd]

Dropping names of crackpots isn't going to help someone so susceptible to the influence of people who pretend they are researchers and scientists when they are anything but.

 

[cyb]

Dropping names of crackpots isn't going to help someone so susceptible to the influence of people.

Why not? Maybe a susceptible person can benefit from having their current model 'derailed' and pushed in a new direction.
If their current model then collapses in favour of new thoughts, that may be of help.

 

[AlbertKLloyd]

ok.
I stand corrected.

 

[URBY]

Cyb,

Thank you for the suggestion, I will check it out.

Not like Im asking anything different.