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Hey everyone, I haven’t been able to find a consistent or reliable dose for Syrian rue. Everyone seems to be saying something different.

I was thinking about using 2.5 g of Syrian rue in tea, crushing the seeds into a fine powder, boiling them for about 45 minutes, and then filtering the tea through a cloth.

My question is: how much water should I use?

Also, regarding DMT in capsules, what would be considered a typical dose? I was thinking about starting with around 55–60 mg.

Thanks for any advice!
 
james1 said:
Hey everyone, I haven’t been able to find a consistent or reliable dose for Syrian rue. Everyone seems to be saying something different.
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3-5g is a common range, and we state it in almost every thread about it:
northape

Post in thread 'First attempt at low-dose Mimosahuasca, what went wrong?'

Everything sounds about right. If it's the beginning of your relationship, you are doing quite well.
It's much better to start with small doses and build a connection over time, than get scared and anxious.
My dose of rue is around 3-4g and I brew a batch of mimosa tea with some rue in it too (for example, 50g mimosa + 10g rue).
So when you re-dose you will get some harmalas too. You can calculate and adjust the amount of water in your mimosa tea for a constant and
reliable dose. I try to make my tea at 30ml/dose, and it's easy to re-dose and tweak later on.

Oral mimosa is not very visual...
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I was thinking about using 2.5 g of Syrian rue in tea, crushing the seeds into a fine powder, boiling them for about 45 minutes, and then filtering the tea through a cloth.
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Use 3g, boil for 30min, filter and reduce to a shot
james1 said:
My question is: how much water should I use?
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The rule of thumb for decoctions is 30ml per 1g of dry material, but I use more for cooking a dose of rue (300–500 ml).
JosBoaz

Post in thread 'Harmala Brew Recipes'

This is not a recipe developed by Josboaz, it is developed by Transform.

Transform’s Harmala Recipe

Ingredients
  • 3.2 g harmala seeds, ground​
  • 300 mL water per boil​
  • 160 mg vitamin C – only first boil​
Method
  1. Seeds: Ground harmala seeds — 3.2 g (0.113 oz).
  2. Water:...
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JosBoaz

Post in thread 'Harmala Brew Recipes'

This is not a recipe created by Josboaz, it is created by Northape.

Northape’s Harmala Recipe

  • Seeds: Powdered seeds — 1 g (0.035 oz) per unit.
  • Water: 30 mL (1.0 US fl oz / 2 tbsp) per 1 g (0.035 oz) of seeds. More water can be used; for example, 500 mL (16.9 US fl oz / 2.11 US cups) for 5 g (0.18 oz) of seeds.
  • Boiling: Boil for 30 minutes.
  • Lid: Put a lid on the pan.
  • Filtering: Filter the seeds through a cotton cloth.
  • Reduction: Reduce the filtered...
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james1 said:
ok so 3 g powder seeds for 600 ml water ? and about the dmt? 60 mg ? thanks
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600ml is overkill in my opinion. Use 300–500ml and boil it well for 30 minutes. Ingest your DMT 30 minutes after drinking rue.
I'd do 30mg the first time to be sure you react well. You can have another 30mg booster prepared and take it later if needed.
Don't overcomplicate things. The whole process is extremely simple. Try to fast 3–5 hours before the session, too. Eat something light that day as well.

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northape said:
600ml is overkill in my opinion. Use 300–500ml and boil it well for 30 minutes. Ingest your DMT 30 minutes after drinking rue.
I'd do 30mg the first time to be sure you react well. You can have another 30mg booster prepared and take it later if needed.
Don't overcomplicate things. The whole process is extremely simple. Try to fast 3–5 hours before the session, too. Eat something light that day as well.

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Thank you for the comment I'm very appreciate it , actually I thought about dividing the dose of the DMT, but from what I understand that it's different from ayauasca, you take the DMT once and go to the experience without " redosing like traditional ayauasca for example, what I'm suspecting it's once I want to redose after a few hours for example the maoi will not be in the body anymore to effect, then I need to redose the Syrian rue , and that dosing over the 5 g for one night what can cause nauseas sickness etc , how do you recommend for redosing if needed , thank you for the help
 
james1 said:
Thank you for the comment I'm very appreciate it , actually I thought about dividing the dose of the DMT, but from what I understand that it's different from ayauasca, you take the DMT once and go to the experience without " redosing like traditional ayauasca for example, what I'm suspecting it's once I want to redose after a few hours for example the maoi will not be in the body anymore to effect, then I need to redose the Syrian rue , and that dosing over the 5 g for one night what can cause nauseas sickness etc , how do you recommend for redosing if needed , thank you for the help
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You can drink traditional aya all night long, actually. Yes, you have both DMT and harmalas in such a brew, though.
Honestly, we are all different, and you need to experiment a bit. If you take your 2nd dose about 1.5 hours after rue, it should still be felt somewhat.
However, why not just redose 1–2g rue with your second dose of DMT? Because some of your first dose would be somewhat metabolized, you shouldn't get much nausea.
That's my approach to rue ingestion. I have a bottle of tea and can dose as I want. The same could be done with DMT plants. After a session or two, you'll find your sweet spot and timing.
 
Thanks, I really appreciate the advice. I also thought that after 1.5 hours I might not necessarily feel like taking another dose, because I would probably already be at the peak, and if the initial dose is too low, the peak might not be enough. But I’ll see what works for me after my first experience and get a better idea of the timing.

So, if I were to do it as one dose, for example, what dose would you recommend?
 
james1 said:
So, if I were to do it as one dose, for example, what dose would you recommend?
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I'm working with plant teas, so I'm not sure about pure dmt. I'd still advise you to start on the low end to get a feel for it. You don't need much to see how it works for you.
Then you can adjust the dose accordingly. Maybe you'd need to go higher up on harmalas for a better experience (for example I use 4-5g now). There is a vodka extraction tek for mimosa now that many like. Maybe it's something for you:
Ambrosaure

TEK Thread '"TnT tek" - Vodka DMT extraction for oral use TEK (super easy!)'

This tek has been created by @Transform, explained by @blig-blug so thanks to both of them 🙏🏼

The vodka tek recipe for 100g of Mimosa Hostilis:

You need:
- 100g MHRB (mimosa Hostilis Root Bark)
- 1000ml Vodka
- ~100g calcium hydroxide [a.k.a. pickling lime, food lime,slaked lime, Kalkwasser, or simply, lime] (the amount is not exact, it's just an asumption to give an idea of the amount needed)
- coffee grinder
- coffee filter
- 2L jar
- a big syringe (optional)

RECIPE:
1. Grind the MHRB as finely you can
2. Mix it with the vodka...
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northape said:
I'm working with plant teas, so I'm not sure about pure dmt. I'd still advise you to start on the low end to get a feel for it. You don't need much to see how it works for you.
Then you can adjust the dose accordingly. Maybe you'd need to go higher up on harmalas for a better experience (for example I use 4-5g now). There is a vodka extraction tek for mimosa now that many like. Maybe it's something for you:
Ambrosaure

TEK Thread '"TnT tek" - Vodka DMT extraction for oral use TEK (super easy!)'

This tek has been created by @Transform, explained by @blig-blug so thanks to both of them 🙏🏼

The vodka tek recipe for 100g of Mimosa Hostilis:

You need:
- 100g MHRB (mimosa Hostilis Root Bark)
- 1000ml Vodka
- ~100g calcium hydroxide [a.k.a. pickling lime, food lime,slaked lime, Kalkwasser, or simply, lime] (the amount is not exact, it's just an asumption to give an idea of the amount needed)
- coffee grinder
- coffee filter
- 2L jar
- a big syringe (optional)

RECIPE:
1. Grind the MHRB as finely you can
2. Mix it with the vodka...
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thank you for the recipie , but dont have MHRB unfortunately .
 
It depends a lot on sensitivity of course, but with a high enough dose of harmalas it's usually fairly potent already. I've recently had a friend have a complete, very powerful death-rebirth experience with only 35mg DMT as a first dose and 30mg as the second. He's quite sensitive, but one doesn't know their sensitivity before trying for the first time. If he had had 100mg, as some people (who likely don't take enough harmalas) seem to believe necessary, he would have been in trouble.
 
So what about start with 3 g Syrian and 30 mg DMT them redose another 1.5 syrian and 30 DMT after 3-4 hours when the effects start go? But the second dose of DMT straight after the second dosing of the Syrian ? Thanks
 

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