terrifying experiences and dealing with them

[spawn9076]

So I just sat on my own meditating a little and flushing myself.

I loaded up the bong with 50mg, I smoked maybe half of this. maybe more but definitely not all.

tbh this was the most terrifying experience I've ever had, I experienced nothing like this or even close to on a previous experience.

I thought I had not smoked enough to actually blast off so I went to go for another hit and my hand had 6 fingers and my thumb so two additional fingers. I looked up across the room to notice it was slightly strange.

I was terrified my hands looked like alien hands,
I could feel and touch these extra fingers and move them separately I had seaminglessly without knowledge moved into another body, my brain was able to feel these extra senses. I did not think to check my feet I was terrified I did not go to the mirror to look.

I remember thinking the whole time I wish it was over and only thing that kept me sane was thinking of my daughter and fiancée and feeling love for them.

whilst I was in this place I instantly felt disconnected from my daughter and my fiancée wherever I was they were not. I knew if I stayed in this place I would never see them again. the room I was in was sealed. I definitely felt as if I was never coming back I sat on both my hands to hide the extra fingers and focus on my love to help me through this.

my heart sunk a bit because I thought I've fucked up so badly and sat myself in some alternate universe really felt as if I was never coming back.

I can see why after an experience like that, why no one would want to smoke DMT again, because when I came back my instant thought was don't ever do that again and how happy I was to be back hear in this realm which I had left.

the emotions were crazy I felt absolutely terrified and my advice to anyone having a bad trip like this is to literally focus on the love you have in your life to guide you through it.

I've had to logically reason with myself that eventually my bodies metabolism would break it down and I would return to reality but fuck it was scary, if you really had no clue about the molecule and how it got broken down in your system this would have been even more terrifying. even with this thought I still thought no one knows what happens and maybe I've fucked up and now I'm stuck here.

intense it really was.

the scary part was I never had any buzzing in my head and didn't feel as if I left my body like a full breakthrough although 'my' body never changed I definitely left my body and entered another body with alien hands and 6 fingers and a thumb but it was such a smooth transition that's what the shock was.

I will smoke DMT again although the second I came back around I looked straight out my window and laid against the wall and said fuck smoking this again, although I'm still drawn to it I want to shed some understanding on this before I smoke again in a few days mind.

has anyone else had a similar experience and can anyone shed some light on this experience?
I'll also wonder at this point if i should have smoked more would this have made it worse or better?

 

[Infectedstyle]

Try seeing things from a buddhist perspective.

There is no reason to believe you will be 'stuck' in an alternate universe from smoking dmt.
However, there is a lot of reasons to believe that you will grow old and die here on earth and become unattached from ur daughter and fiancé.

Perhaps this experience is preparing you for this moment. It is always good to be prepared. See it like training. In my experience, a lot of DMT flashes look a lot like training wheels.

I wonder if you find the alien experience intense? It seems beautiful.

 

[concombres]

I've had something similar happen on two occasions.
The first was with a brew that i thought was dud, & the second was with changa.
Both shared the same feeling. Like i'd been somehow switched out with myself from another dimension, or something else replaced me inside my body & it would be stuck like that forever now.

After coming down it quickly became apparent that this was not the case & everything would be fine.

I think it's caused by fear & anxiety.
When thinking logically, its apparent that it's all just hallucinations, but when fear takes over, logic goes out the window.

 

[spawn9076]

Try seeing things from a buddhist perspective.


I wonder if you find the alien experience intense? It seems beautiful.

it was terrifying, but I think if I experienced the same thing now I would be quite happy to look in the mirror and check out things.

luckily I managed to remain really calm and keep my focus but it was so it was the shock of having extra limbs I could touch, feel, and see without any look like it was an illusion. it looked natural

I will smoke it again but i was not expecting that it was scary, I was gone for like 30 mins and I was monging or tripping I was perfectly rationable in my mind looking at myself with extra limbs i could move, and feel, I sat on my hands to hide them

 

[spawn9076]

I've had something similar happen on two occasions.

I think it's caused by fear & anxiety.
When thinking logically, its apparent that it's all just hallucinations, but when fear takes over, logic goes out the window.

I'm glad you can share your similar experience I think if I did not remain rationale I would've lost my mind.

But I think along the lines you do with hallucinations however it definitely made me feel as if I'd left my body and entered an alternate reality where a me with 6 fingers existed and was doing exactly what I was doing in the same room, etc.

 

[cubeananda]

I have to say, the dark side of DMT is quite an amazing beast. If I could access the entire database of human experience, I would make a compilation of bad DMT trips for the hypertube. After having been the subject of these jokes I would love to experience them from the other side :lol:

 

[concombres]

I've had something similar happen on two occasions.

I think it's caused by fear & anxiety.
When thinking logically, its apparent that it's all just hallucinations, but when fear takes over, logic goes out the window.

I'm glad you can share your similar experience I think if I did not remain rationale I would've lost my mind.

But I think along the lines you do with hallucinations however it definitely made me feel as if I'd left my body and entered an alternate reality where a me with 6 fingers existed and was doing exactly what I was doing in the same room, etc.

Dmt seems to have that effect on me. I'm able to remain calm & contained, but internally because of the shock of what's happening & how real it feels, my mind tends to jump to irrational conclusions quickly (ie. Magic is real, an evil entity has been released into my dimension) & then once i'm able to calm down a bit, the logic starts coming back into play & things go much smoother.

The sudden rush seems to trigger the fight or flight response,possibly pushing the ego to defend itself from whats happening.

 

[Infectedstyle]

^ Lol, Yea...
The dark side has been led to me since my very first journeys with DMT entities. I think they said it was important for me. It has been a very gentle and gradual ride. At some point things took off from a different angle and I found myself surrounded by bats and all sorts of crazy shit flying around me. Would be a good one for the hypertube. I must say I think I handled myself very well. I am not sure why I instinctively repeated the mantra "I exist, I know I am real, That I am sure of!". Fear was immenent, but it was not overwhelmingly so. The mantra served as a very good anchor.

replaced me inside my body

One of my biggest fears. Especially if my awareness is somewhere else.

Actually, sensations like these are quite common on Tryptamines. For example, D. M. Turner doing DMT + Harmalas witnessed his body doing chants and mudras. (First story on the list)

His experience shows it can be benign. I theorize that the body is actually conscious of itself or alternate between different hyper-dimensional owners. The latter is actually more plausible to me, considering my own experience. In my sensation on higher dose of mushrooms there was actually some kind of Alien controlling my body. I was however fully present. So it was very enjoyable and benign. Although intense.

 

[Aweems]

The only solution to this, is to train your mind to accept it...
You have to KNOW everything Is going to be okay.
You could call it a faith I guess...

Once you do this, the fear will disappear.

 

[concombres]

The only solution to this, is to train your mind to accept it...
You have to KNOW everything Is going to be okay.
You could call it a faith I guess...

Once you do this, the fear will disappear.

The strange thing is dmt is alot harder to do this with imo.
Maybe it's because i havn't had as much experience, but k-holes & what's similar to a dmt breakthrough on lsd seem much more comfortble going in & present alot less fear.
I think the level of intensity has alot to do with it, although ketamine has proved to be extremely intense.

 

[Aweems]

The only solution to this, is to train your mind to accept it...
You have to KNOW everything Is going to be okay.
You could call it a faith I guess...

Once you do this, the fear will disappear.

The strange thing is dmt is alot harder to do this with imo.
Maybe it's because i havn't had as much experience, but k-holes & what's similar to a dmt breakthrough on lsd seem much more comfortble going in & present alot less fear.
I think the level of intensity has alot to do with it, although ketamine has proved to be extremely intense.

I completely understand.
The sudden "onset" or quick interval.
Along with complete ego loss and intense empathy..
It's definitely not easy.

 

[concombres]

The only solution to this, is to train your mind to accept it...
You have to KNOW everything Is going to be okay.
You could call it a faith I guess...

Once you do this, the fear will disappear.

The strange thing is dmt is alot harder to do this with imo.
Maybe it's because i havn't had as much experience, but k-holes & what's similar to a dmt breakthrough on lsd seem much more comfortble going in & present alot less fear.
I think the level of intensity has alot to do with it, although ketamine has proved to be extremely intense.

I completely understand.
The sudden "onset" or quick interval.
Along with complete ego loss and intense empathy..
It's definitely not easy.

Oral dmt + harmalas eases it alot. It's still rough going in, but it's alot smoother. With sufficient dosages of harmalas, dosages of spice just a little higher than smoked are nice. It takes a couple tries to get dialed in, but it's nice for easing your way in & getting comfortable.
because of the duration it can be hard to plan for though. It always requires me 2 days. One for fasting, meditation, & the journey. Then a second to catch back up on the missed sleep & rehydrate, eat, & integrate.

 

[spawn9076]

The only thing that makes it so intense is that fact you a filled with different emotions which make it so real, the things you look at on yourself don't look distorted or messed up or wrong they are so clear and precise and realistic it is truly hard to believe it is an illusion of the mind.

it makes me think that my body as it is now is also just clearly an illusion as well.

its as if the higher the dose of DMT in your blood the more closer you are to the truth of reality.

I really wish I could share my experience with someone here in full it was clearly not just visuals and illusions. that's a bold comment to make but we are all under a constant illusions of the bodies that we are in, the dimensions we are in, the forces we feel, gravity, electricity everything is an illusion of observation.

great respect for the molecule is always a given its truly a terrifying molecule and I wish to truly understand it.

 

[○]

All these experiences are there for growth/learning, whether their intensely dark, physically uncomfortable, or straight to the godhead; they're all spun from the same ineffable fabric. They all have the potential for learning, growth, healing, etc.

If your serious about working with this experience, id highly suggest supplementing some breath meditation multiple times per week, along with some simple yogic kriyas. These practices aren't just some flight of fancy; they're tried and true methods of becoming impartial to the chatter of thoughts and helping ease the choppiness of the mind. Learning to literally be no-mind pre/during/post dmt experience is completely obtainable and will pay you in spades.

This experience literally works with what you give it on every conceivable level; and spins magic according to. There's so many factors that lend to the experience I feel that are vastly overlooked. It all comes down to the level of awareness that you possess in realizing these things. Days, weeks, months, years of influence that have built up until this moment with the spice. (all your past thoughts, fears, hopes, every little gesture in your day, every little thing enacted both internally and externally up until that point that you smoke)

Of course these factors only sway the experience so much; but having a placid mind pre/post/during, and having no thoughts/trepidation when picking up that pipe (just as if it were a pipe of weed) will more times than not lend to intensely deep, transformative experiences. I really do feel that whatever this experience is...it can truly tell the difference in us trusting it fully.

Alot of our fears/terror that can come up during the experience are more times than not empty and unfounded ime. (learned this manya times). They're literally of no inherent substance; like clouds. Learning to shed these patterns over time is doable and will reward you handsomely in your later ventures.

Realizing that you always come back from the experience no matter how deep/intense it may get. Realizing that there is truly nothing to be worried/afraid of in regards to the experience itself (aside from your own thoughts ), that no matter how gripping/intense/other worldly the experience appears to be, your completely intact in the physical and alive n' kickin.