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Tetrahydroharmine (THH) and DMT taken orally

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Whelp, trying again!

200mg THH
50mg DMT
50mg DMT (+00:15)
After 1 hour, nothing at all felt.

40mg THH (+1:00)
30mg DMT (+1:00)

@ +1:30 developed a sensitivity to light...but nothing more

50mg DMT (+2:00)

@ +2:30 some minor open and closed eyed visuals, slight euphoria, which came on and faded.

50mg DMT (+3:00)
100mg THH (+3:00)

This will be the last injection of the night. If it doesn't get me to where I want, I'll have to go back to the drawing board. The THH is not bunk, but it appears it either takes a long time to work on swim, or it takes a lot to block the maoi's
 
69ron said:
Saidin said:
Whelp, trying again!

200mg THH
50mg DMT
50mg DMT (+00:15)
40mg THH (+1:00)
30mg DMT (+1:00)

Took some more at the hour point as I haven't felt anything yet. Looking like SWIM either has a really high tolerance for THH, or its bunk, or SWIM will be flying in hyperspace in the near future!
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That doesn't sound right at all. 200 mg of THH orally is enough to feel it. It’s quite noticeable.


No one else is having no effects like that. Another guy on this forum who used 80 mg of THH got effects from the DMT orally.


How did SWIY take it orally? Maybe SWIY somehow destroyed the DMT or the THH?


Maybe SWIY bought THH from a bogus vendor?

What does SWIY's THH look like? What color is it? What does it taste like?

How did it come in the mail? Was it in a plastic baggy like most vendors have it? Was it in a small metal vial?
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SWIM got it from the same Visionary vendor that others have used. Small sealed container. It looks off white, tan in fact, very powdery. Got it a week ago. Tastes bitter.

Swim is mixing it with a little orange juice and throwing the juice to teh back of the throat.
 
You could try getting some citric acid. That, from what I've read, dissolves DMT rather nicely. Take it on an empty stomach and follow it up with a slice of bread to get digestion going.

SWIM breaks through very easily now on one hit when either combining DMT with Salvia or Harmaline Tincture. Actually, he has broken through on just DMT, but breakthrough is much more of a given on Harmaline. Has yet to try the THH which he has ordered.
 
Nanaki said:
You could try getting some citric acid. That, from what I've read, dissolves DMT rather nicely. Take it on an empty stomach and follow it up with a slice of bread to get digestion going.

SWIM breaks through very easily now on one hit when either combining DMT with Salvia or Harmaline Tincture. Actually, he has broken through on just DMT, but breakthrough is much more of a given on Harmaline. Has yet to try the THH which he has ordered.
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I figured the orange juice would serve the same purpose, and have heard of others using it to take dmt.

Its now been 6 hours. The last infusion I did had little visionary effect, but I could feel the THH for sure, a very clear mind, focused, though I don't think I'll be able to sleep any time soon. Was an interesting night, got glimpses of what could be, and it thrills me.

I must be doing something wrong...maybe put it all in a capsule?
 
Saidin, it sound's like SWIY got the same THH SWIM has. It came in an amber glass vial once with a black top, the other times it came in a plastic vial with a white top, either way it had a plastic seal you needed to tear before opening it. The other vendors I know of sell it in a ziplock bag, metal vial, etc. The other vendors are VERY PRICEY, but their stuff is also good.

I don't see that SWIY did anything wrong in his preparation. The way SWIY prepared it would work for SWIM, and at those doses, SWIM would be tripping pretty hard.

Everyone is different. SWIY must have a high tolerance to MAOIs.

One thing that SWIM noticed is that you do get tolerance to THH’s mild psychedelic effects if you take it more than once in a day, and the tolerance takes SWIM 1 day of abstinence to get over.

Does SWIY smoke cigarettes?

Cigarette smoke contains the harmala alkaloids harman and norharman, potent MAOIs which might make you slightly tolerant to the effects of THH (tetrahydroharmine), in which case a larger dose would be needed. SWIM doesn’t smoke anymore (been over 10 years since he quit). He’s noticed that all psychedelics work better after he quick smoking.
 
i didnt think it was possible to get a tolerance to dmt...SWIM hasnt! not yet! hes been trying REALLY hard too:) hasnt worked yet:p
 
Back to this cocoa thing...what in the cocoa is making the DMT in ayahuasca more potent? Is it the theobromine or something else? Would cola nut also work? That has lots of theobromine in it, more than cocoa has.
 
69ron said:
Back to this cocoa thing...what in the cocoa is making the DMT in ayahuasca more potent? Is it the theobromine or something else? Would cola nut also work? That has lots of theobromine in it, more than cocoa has.
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Not quite sure, but it might be the theobromine. Druiddream on the ayahuasca forum reports that all stimulants, such as theobromine and caffeine increases the potency of psychedelics. Not sure if it is to the same degree or not. All I know is that it definitely potentiates ayahuasca. Are several reports about it on the ayahuasca forum. 2 gram should be enough.

You should try out the combination and see how it works for you, then try out cola nut.

I wonder how this potentiation work. Is it a stomach/liver thing or does it work directly on the brain? If the latter, it would also potentiate smoked DMT.

A report:
Pangolin said:
That guy recently tried to amplify what had been a disappointing batch of Jurema using druiddream's suggestion here. Using his standard, crash the gates of reality with no sense or guide, technique that guy used 1.5 tsp. of cocoa power rather than just the one.

This worked a little too well and he found himself flat on the floor unable to understand or very much recall the experience. He reports an extremely powerful dream, combining the standard sleeping dreamspace with elf-space. In addition there was a very sharp initiation and finish to this space and a very clean finish. Approximately 2 hours spent in spice-light.

That guy feel that cacao is going to be as important to this non-traditional dreamer as the light-bearing admixtures. The caapi-cacao combination is deep, clean and powerful. Approach with caution; use a light hand on the measure.
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SWIM is so far behind, can't catch up...

But seriously, you're on a roll. I am absotively posolutely excited about this THH thing being able to manifest stuff before your eyes. And extending the experience, sweet. Maybe I can actually use it to meet with great minds like Einstein or Disney.

Jorkest said:
SWIM will be receiving a few pounds of cacao beans so he will get back to you guys when he tests it out
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69ron said:
Saidin, it sound's like SWIY got the same THH SWIM has. It came in an amber glass vial once with a black top, the other times it came in a plastic vial with a white top, either way it had a plastic seal you needed to tear before opening it. The other vendors I know of sell it in a ziplock bag, metal vial, etc. The other vendors are VERY PRICEY, but their stuff is also good.

I don't see that SWIY did anything wrong in his preparation. The way SWIY prepared it would work for SWIM, and at those doses, SWIM would be tripping pretty hard.

Everyone is different. SWIY must have a high tolerance to MAOIs.

One thing that SWIM noticed is that you do get tolerance to THH’s mild psychedelic effects if you take it more than once in a day, and the tolerance takes SWIM 1 day of abstinence to get over.

Does SWIY smoke cigarettes?

Cigarette smoke contains the harmala alkaloids harman and norharman, potent MAOIs which might make you slightly tolerant to the effects of THH (tetrahydroharmine), in which case a larger dose would be needed. SWIM doesn’t smoke anymore (been over 10 years since he quit). He’s noticed that all psychedelics work better after he quick smoking.
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Thanks for the reply.

THH came delivered exactly as you described, a small plastic vial for 400mg sealed with plastic so you had to break it, vial was also in a small ziplock.

SWIM took 120mg THH the day before, maybe that had some effect. SWIM does not smoke cigarettes (just passed his 12th year since one!), but does smoke buds.

SWIM can breakthrough with 40-45mg of smoked spice, but hasn't smoked any in a couple months. SWIM wanted a longer more immersive experience. The only other time SWIM tried orally, 2g of Rue and 80mg of DMT were used, and effects came on after 2 hours and lasted 30 mins, but the visuals were more intense than last night.

At 350mg SWIM could definately feel the THH, but just couldn't get any spice to activate for more than 20 minutes (and very mildly) before fading. Looks like my potential for overdoing it for a very strong experience has increased :shock: Maybe try some of those beans...
 
SWIM looks forward to getting his THH. He doesn't know the oral dose of DMT for breakthrough, but has broken through on 15mg of DMT by itself.
 
it really all just depends on the day..sometimes it works different then other times...it really all depends on your body chemistry that day..things that you have eat in the last 24 hours..other chemicals you may ingest..be it coffee or beer..
 
another thing i just thought of...is citric acid enough to salt dmt? and if it is how long would the reaction take?
could it be that its just not salting..thus slowing absorption
 
Am I right in that if you use the DMT fumarate, you don't have to salt it then, and can be taken as is?

I hadn't heard though of salting being needed before taking orally with an MAOI.
 
Is the only benefit of a salt that it lasts longer?

I know you can't smoke it but what's the benefit of that over freebase when taken orally? Obviously using an MAOI of some sort.
 
the salt form gets absorbed faster because otherwise your stomach has to salt the freebase dmt. the other benefits are longer shelf life and its a great way of getting any oils out of your spice
 
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