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Tetrahydroharmine (THH) and DMT taken orally

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Interestingly enough...

Some have mentioned telepathy in conjunction with THH, well...

The other night, when SWIM was feeling the fullest effects from the THH, his mind was focused, meditative and the thought of an old girlfriend came into his head, and a big smile spread across his face, and a happy feeling filled his heart. He hasn't spoken to her in years, and had last heard from her by email 6 months ago.

Well today she called out of the blue, had a great conversation. Not only that but suggested to swim he sign up on facebook to easily exchage pictures. SWIM had always stayed away from those sites as he is a hermit, but didn't think twice about her suggestion. Now he has found himself connected with people he had long ago lost contact with, and thought would never see or hear from again. From alone, to connected.

It turns out he had a profound experience, but nothing like what he had expeceted.
 
SWIM told me that 99mg THH was not enough to fully activate 156 mg DMT fumarate. Similar fumarate doses with 70-80 mg harmaline were significantly stronger. The experience was significantly better and more clear headed than with harmaline though and SWIM sees significant potential with a larger THH dose.

SWIM says peak effects occurred 30 minutes into the experience and felt quite blissful. minor open eyed echoing in vision and closed eyed visuals like a low dose smoked experience. the body effect was what SWIM enjoyed the most.

SWIM mentioned that similar and stronger effects have been reached via 15-20 mg THH snorted with low dose DMT smoked.
 
SWIM has been able to handle social environments on oral THH-DMT combo...just as long as its a smaller dose...you can expect to be a bit quieter..haha and be able to read peoples minds:)
 
haha its more about understanding how people think and understanding trains of thought...for SWIM its almost like hearing their thoughts in his head...except in another way..its like understanding what people would be thinking about..based on their tone of voice...posture...facial expressions...

when you start to understand what all this means...and staying aware of it...its like reading a damn book...

but sometimes telepathy happens over long distances..like phone calls..and whatnot..
 
swim gave this a go tonight.... WOW!

T: 0:00 ~20mg THH taken sublingually
T: 0:05 slight effects noticed, vision seemed clearer, felt clearheaded and more alert then normal
T: 0:15 mild euphoria felt, comperable to 1/10th of a decent hit of MDMA- subtle and rather unremarkable, clearheaded feeling. Some caffiene and a quarter teaspoon of piracetam taken
T: 0:20-0:25 euphoric feeling at its peak, once again- unremarkable

-went out dancing- noticed that although there was a clearheaded alert feeling, swim had difficulty finding words

T: 2:30 headed back to friends house, decided to smoke some spice- could still feel effects of THH, mildly
T: 2:35 smoked ~30mg spice launch is a bit delayed. Can see what people mean about the clearheadedness making the experience more managable even though its more powerful. Usually swim feels it coming on whilst hitting, though he did, it was gentler and slower- which proved to add a new dimension to the exp.
T: 2:37 decided to hit resonated pipe again- fairly good hit

WOW!!!
T: 2:40 who knows why swim went and hit it one more time- about half a good hit

? swim was on a high energy peak for a good 20 minutes or so... going NUTS! Lots of playing with sound (making lots of noises that had a tangible effect on trip/visuals. Open eye started out like DMT, turned into something a little more like extremely visual mushrooms towards the end dropping down into a feeling like swim was coming down off of two hits of mild LSD. Mild nausea towards end of peak, but no throwing up nessisary. During peak, open eye visuals where AMAZING!!!! watching friends salt water fish... his cat... his friends face, all fractalized. Swim saw multiple versions of his buddy (entities!) whereever he supposed his friend might be hanging out.... WOW... beautiful... WOW..

Towards middle to end of peak, swim forgot the time frame, and became under the impression that he was going to be in this state for 4-6 hours... the fear began to come... worried that he wasnt gonna drop back down, end up in hospital or whatever... white knuckled it for about 10 minutes. Very taxing.

Swim noticed that he felt like he coulda fallen asleep towards the end of the peak- even though he was fighting panick mode.


WOW. LSD like energy for sure, but much better.

This is better then straight smoked DMT. Swim isnt going to be doing this combo very often though. He was left physically wiped out afterwards.... but then again, there is some writhing kundalini type movements that he does while on the spice- kinda like the spice drives him to do this, but he is still in control of himself and can stop anytime he chooses.
 
no, although swim did a high dose rue + mushroom trip back in the mid nineties- definate 'telepathic' experience. His then GF was on mushrooms as well, laying next to him- for about 5 minutes, swim verbalized his GF's thoughts to his GF- freaked her out, and she ran out of the room because of it. This was with syrian rue!!!

Swim did 20mg sublingualy last night- he interacted with people- didnt notice any telepathic or empathetic properties- though things may have been different had he been enjoying his jungle spice along with- and swims question was answered at least as far as smoking plus THH DEFINATLY not something to be out in a social environment. Oral may be different, but its gonna be a while until swims batteries are recharged.
 
69ron,

Is this THH + DMT experience for SWIY superior to adding some Harmine to make it closer to an ayahuasca experience?

SWIM has read that in a ayahuasca experience, one can create visions at will. Does one have some more control by leaving the Harmine off?

SWIM has looked around but can only seem to find freebase Harmine. Unless he goes the route of using syrian rue to make a quick tea. He'd rather just go straight to the Harmine, if that at all has any benefit when combined with THH.

I know SWIY hasn't used the theobromine with it, but was wondering what might be a very good combination to simulate very closely a true ayahuasca experience.

SWIM has never had an aya experience, nor had enough DMT to take orally before he found out about THH.

He wants his first aya experience to be a good one.
 
Superior? Yes and no. It all depends on what you desire from it. There's more self control by leaving the harmine out. The THH + DMT only experience gives you much more control over the experience. Harmine does increase the visuals and some of the other psychedelic effects but at the cost of introducing slight loss of control. Harmaline does it even more than harmine does. THH somehow refines and tames the experience making it easier to navigate the visionary realms. It’s a far cleaner experience.

For a true ayahuasca style experience, you need both harmine and THH. Use about 80 mg THH with 120 mg of harmine to simulate a true ayahuasca experience. THH + DMT is not the same. Also harmine + DMT is not the same, and neither is harmaline + DMT. You need THH + harmine + DMT. You can add a tiny amount of harmaline to be a little more authentic but it makes very little difference.
 
Excellent advice there. SWIM understands that the amount of DMT to combine with the THH+Harmaline would vary per person since it was not mentioned. Would 30mg orally be enough DMT if 15mg smoked is breakthrough? Also, should SWIM dissolve the whole concoction in citric acid and drink it down rather quickly?

SWIM will keep looking for a vendor that sells the Harmine salt. He has only found freebase.
 
Thanks Jorkest,

One more question, is there a recommendation on how much DMT one should use with this combination of 80mg THH and 120mg Harmine?

Thx.
 
ehh...start with say...50..its a good round number...it most likely will knock your socks...so plan some time and space for it
 
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