3 experiments in an attempt to more clearly (and cleanly) document the bottom threshold of THH and DMT taken orally.
Experiment #1
Dosage:
80mg THH hcl
20mg DMT freebase
Preparation:
Contents dissolved together in 70ml warm tap water with 2 teaspoons lemon juice.
Administration:
Mixture was swallowed 6 hours after a light lunch, followed immediately by a light dinner (brown rice w/ eggplant casserole).
Observations:
- subject reported a mild unsettled feeling in the stomach after swallowing which disappeared as dinner was eaten
- regular monitoring of subject's mental, emotional, and physical state over 3 hours reported no noticeable effects beyond a slight feeling of mental clarity and emotional centering similar to a 20mg THH hcl sublingal dose (subject noted the possibility of placebo effect).
- T+ 2:00, subject ate 2 grams ground cocao nibs, resulting in little noticeable effect other than a usual slight boost to mental and physical acuity.
- T+ 2:15, subject smoked a small single toke of cannabis indica, with no unexpected results (subject noted that THC has the tendency to bring out otherwise dormant visual activity with low doses of tryptamines and phenethylamines, this did not occur).
- T+ 3:00, subject discontinued experiment, summarizing qualitative effects as: 'none'
Experiment #2 (+24 hours)
Dosage:
100mg THH hcl
20mg DMT freebase
Preparation:
- THH disolved in 70ml warm distilled water.
- DMT disolved in 70ml warm distilled water with 2 teaspons white vinegar.
Administration:
- THH solution was swallowed 6 hours after a light lunch.
- DMT solution was swallowed 20 minutes following THH solution, followed immediately by a light dinner (3 cheese, whole wheat penne casserole).
Observations (we will consider T to be the time of DMT administration):
- subject reported a mild unsettled feeling in the stomach after swallowing THH solution which disappeared as dinner was eaten beginning at T.
- T+ 0:10, while eating, subject reported familiar feelings of smooth tryptamine onset, including 'puffy, flowing, waves' of physical awareness, emotional fluctuation, and mental perception (all pleasant).
- T+ 0:20, subject finished eating, reported mild wave of nausea upon standing up, resulted in a burp, feeling passed.
- T+ 0:20, subject reported mild intensity of full tryptamine effects including:
--- dilation of pupils
--- distraction of attention focus
--- mild visual distortion of object sizes depending on visual focus
--- heightened visual pattern recognition / swimming
--- 'puffy, bubbly, rubbery' body awareness
--- mild synaesthesia
--- increased empathic affinity and emotional connection with others
--- however, no OEVs or CEVs beyond what was mentioned
- T+ 0:30, subject reported peak intensity of previously mentioned effects.
- T+ 0:45, subject reported noticeable diminishing of effects, and a noticeable sexual desire (subject reports an increase in sexual desire from all tryptamines and phenethylamines).
- T+ 1:00, subject reported a complete drop off of effects to almost baseline.
- T+ 1:30, subject reported a complete return to baseline noting the previous half hour consisted of only light effects similar to a 20mg THH hcl sublingal dose, and mild generic tryptamine and DMT afterglow.
Experiment #3 (+24 hours)
Dosage:
100mg THH hcl
30mg DMT freebase
Preparation:
- same as Experiment #2
Administration:
- same as Experiment #2
Observations
- subject reported the same oncome and peak timeline as Experiment #2.
- subject noted a slight increase in intensity of all effects.
- subject noted a definite increase in feelings of waves of physical and emotional euphoria.
- subject noted a definite increase of synaesthesia.
- subject noted mild CEVs consisting of swirling light flashes (very different from low dose smoked DMT CEVs which are more colorfully pattern based).
- subject noted a definite increase in visual pattern recognition / swimming but still no true OEVs (ie: objects, patterns, overlays which aren't actually there).
- at peak time subject initiated sexual activity with partner, noted increased euphoria, physical exhilaration, prolonged erection and orgasm.
- subject noted the same falloff timeline as Experiment #2, however with an increased intensity of afterglow past the 1:30 mark.
- T+ 1:30, subject smoked 8mg of DMT freebase (amount of usual bottom threshold smoking dose for subject to ordinarily experience light CEV color patterning for 30 seconds). Subject noted increased intensity of experience similar to 15mg smoking dose. Subject noted increased duration of experience with peak lasting 45-60 seconds and afterglow lasting 5-10 minutes during which the downside (1:00 - 1:30 mark) effects of the oral dose returned.
Conclusions (subjective to the subject)
- the minimum level of THH to effectively 'activate' DMT orally lies somewhere between 80-100mg, where 80 produced no effects and 100 successfully produced effects from a low oral dose of DMT.
- the different administration methods between Experiment #1 and #2 may have played a part but the subject felt confident that the dosage was the key.
- worth noting is that the subject will continue to employ the second administration method to allow for maximum MAO inhibition, and to have a clear liquid (water + vinegar) to enable visual verification of complete DMT dissolution before administration (only matters with freebase DMT).
- subject agrees with 69ron's method of administration (short fast, then administration, then eating), as it parallels his own preferred method for mushroom consumption.
- overall subject felt the qualitative effects were equal to a 1/2 gram of quality mushrooms, or a 1/2 dose of quality family liquid, or a 1/2 dose of cleanly extracted mescaline.
- subject mentioned a surprising closer similarity to phenethylamines than tryptamines, noting that although the experience was much like that of very clean acid, he was more reminded of mescaline from the highly functional clear headedness, and also reminded of low doses of clean MDMA from it's euphoric emotional and body rush.
- other similarities mentioned were a low dose of 2CB, or candy or hippy or desert flip (LSD+MDMA or mushrooms+MDMA or cactus+MDMA).
- no nausea worth noting, which the subject considers a success for oral DMT.
- due to the price, limited availability, and inability of the subject to personally extract THH, the subject does not consider THH an entirely viable inhibitor of MAO. While the experience was definitely excellent and enjoyed, and the subject will employ it for further tests with greater amounts of both THH and DMT, the subject feels similar effects could be reached much more economically with minimal amounts of cold water extractions of B.Cappi or pharmaceutical Moclobemide.
