The "Breakthrough"???

[zapped17]

The "Breakthrough": What exactly is it? How does one know if he/she has "broken through"?

Apparently, there is a whole spectrum of stages of consciousness that dmt brings about. At one level, dmt produces an altered state of consciousness with a myriad of open/closed eye visuals. Indeed, these visual phenomena may be intense and quite incredible. However (as I have read again and again), these complex and colorful visual perceptions are, in fact, a "veil", and that a true "breakthrough" is transcending this veil, going beyond it. The dmt "hyperspace" opens up in some manner, and the subject is subsequently breaks through to a new realm/ reality.

[At least, this is how I understand it, based on what i have heard or read.]

To reiterate, What is the breakthrough and hyperspace like; and how do you know if you've had a such an experience? Are the scenes in hyperspace as real as real life's consensus reality, more profound than the initial visuals that preceded the breakthrough?

 

[3rdI]

Hello zapped 17,

This topic has been done to death, do a search and you will find all the info you need.

 

[DMT777]

I don't really know how to describe it other then you will be in a completely other place then you were before smoking. When you do finally breakthrough you will know that you have. And hyperspace is definitely more profound than the initial visuals.

 

[Icon]

it's different for everyone, but you'll know when you break

 

[cave paintings]

Eh, the word gets thrown around a lot here and among my friends to the point that I don't know what anyone is talking about anymore. Same with ego death. Not discounting what people have said and felt, just keep in mind that they are just words describing different people's different experiences. Believe me, DMT and reality and whatnot is some crazy stuff. Smoke more and experiment and you'll find what you're looking for. Just don't go chasing words.

 

[zapped17]

Believe me, DMT and reality and whatnot is some crazy stuff. Smoke more and experiment and you'll find what you're looking for. Just don't go chasing words.

I think that's very good advice. Thanks.

 

[Guyomech]

A lot of people get hung up on the idea of achieving a so-called "breakthrough", like it's this black/white thing where you either have one or you don't. I think this is a false distinction (and many Nexians share this view). Just as with ego death, it's a thing that can happen to varying degrees. So rather than asking whether or not you've broken through, the question should be, how deep of a breakthrough? Because even a light dose can show you profound things that your brain couldn't normally conceptualize. You can accomplish a lot of work at any level of the experience.

 

[3rdI]

^^^ this

 

[gibran2]

A lot of people get hung up on the idea of achieving a so-called "breakthrough", like it's this black/white thing where you either have one or you don't. I think this is a false distinction (and many Nexians share this view)...

I don’t agree with this.

There is a category of DMT experience that is unlike all others. It is distinct and unique. Although it can’t be adequately described, you will no doubt know when you’ve had such an experience.

It’s a bit like comparing sexual arousal to orgasm. Arousal may feel good, and there may be many different degrees of arousal, some even approaching orgasm, but arousal is not orgasm. And if you’ve been aroused but never had an orgasm, when you finally do, you’ll know. I think most would agree that it’s not the same thing.

 

[ziggus]

It’s a bit like comparing sexual arousal to orgasm. Arousal may feel good, and there may be many different degrees of arousal, some even approaching orgasm, but arousal is not orgasm. And if you’ve been aroused but never had an orgasm, when you finally do, you’ll know. I think most would agree that it’s not the same thing.

In my experience, some orgasms can be much more intense than others.

 

[○]

A lot of people get hung up on the idea of achieving a so-called "breakthrough", like it's this black/white thing where you either have one or you don't. I think this is a false distinction (and many Nexians share this view)...

I don’t agree with this.

There is a category of DMT experience that is unlike all others. It is distinct and unique. Although it can’t be adequately described, you will no doubt know when you’ve had such an experience.

It’s a bit like comparing sexual arousal to orgasm. Arousal may feel good, and there may be many different degrees of arousal, some even approaching orgasm, but arousal is not orgasm. And if you’ve been aroused but never had an orgasm, when you finally do, you’ll know. I think most would agree that it’s not the same thing.

I agree. There IS a clear line that's crossed. I know for me if I take the whole dose in one hit... there is absolutely NO comeup. There's an INSTANTANEOUS transition..completely. It's like light bong-smoke-hold-BOOM/THERE. Afterwards shaking and bouts of tears may follow mixed with a new fond appreciation/reverence of DMT of most of all the experience that it can TRULY show you.

But there is absolutely no build in effects whatsoever. Like 1-2 seconds after inhalation then WHAM. This only happens though when I go into the bigger dosages of 35+ in one go. Another quality to me is there is absolutely no time to think "WTF..noo ..tooo much"

 

[zapped17]

A lot of people get hung up on the idea of achieving a so-called "breakthrough", like it's this black/white thing where you either have one or you don't. I think this is a false distinction (and many Nexians share this view)...

I don’t agree with this.

There is a category of DMT experience that is unlike all others. It is distinct and unique. Although it can’t be adequately described, you will no doubt know when you’ve had such an experience.

It’s a bit like comparing sexual arousal to orgasm. Arousal may feel good, and there may be many different degrees of arousal, some even approaching orgasm, but arousal is not orgasm. And if you’ve been aroused but never had an orgasm, when you finally do, you’ll know. I think most would agree that it’s not the same thing.

I agree. There IS a clear line that's crossed. I know for me if I take the whole dose in one hit... there is absolutely NO comeup. There's an INSTANTANEOUS transition..completely. It's like light bong-smoke-hold-BOOM/THERE. Afterwards shaking and bouts of tears may follow mixed with a new fond appreciation/reverence of DMT of most of all the experience that it can TRULY show you.

But there is absolutely no build in effects whatsoever. Like 1-2 seconds after inhalation then WHAM. This only happens though when I go into the bigger dosages of 35+ in one go. Another quality to me is there is absolutely no time to think "WTF..noo ..tooo much"

Hmm. It's interesting to see that there's a little bit of a discrepancy on this topic. I'll keep an open, receptive mind to all the perspectives posted here.

If it isn't already obvious, I'm entirely new to dmt. On two recent evenings (in succession), I took a small amount of a (somewhat crappy) yield. (the next one is going be aeons better...) Both hits produced the predominantly visual experiences were that quite intense and interesting -- unique and unlike any other psychoactive substance i have experienced before. However, on both of these occasions, I felt like I was on the brink of something truly incredible, as if I had just scratched the surface. After asking around and reading up, this was obviously so.

I discovered that, thus far, what i found to be the most memorable and intense aspect of both aforementioned "trips" was merely the experience of "Candyland", as it is referred to in this website's Hyperspace Lexicon, defined as "the visual of a pristine polished 'enhanced' open eye reality". This experience, in-and-of-itself, was amazing, beautiful, odd -- perhaps even mind blowing -- for me But i think its undoubtedly safe to say that i ain't seen nothin' yet.......

 

[acacian]

As other's have said it can't really be a black and white thing and differs from person to person, but to me a breakthrough is a point you reach on dmt where you have no awareness of your surroundings or body. the physical senses become meaningless whilst you are entrenched in this experience and it is only when it starts to wear off that you become aware that you are in a body again. Here's a rough and very generalised outline of a breakthrough for me that i sent to somebody else..

For me the experience often goes like this (though its differen't everytime of course).. I smoke the cone with a bong.. hold the smoke in for about 20-30 seconds.. and while I am holding it in I feel an intense pressure in the centre of my forehead between my eyes. as this pressure increases I feel an intense ringing tone getting loouuuuder and louuuder and it gets more and more intense until its absolutely ripped apart everything in front of me and before i know it I am no longer aware of my body or the visual stimulus in front of it, but in a new space all together rich with fractal geometry that spirals in and out and folds in on itself at incredible speed and velocity. This space often feels very bright white.

once I have adjusted to the relentless transition into this new place, a being(usually made out of geometric patterns itself and very divine looking) will usually make its presence known and will begin performing very strange procedures on me, such as manifesting inside of me and running a strange energetic fluid through me which makes me feel really good and clean. it doesn't use words to communicate it seems to do so in what I can only describe as telepathy.. you dont know why you understand it but you just do.. it knows every thought and reaction you have.. so don't resist it.. otherwise it can get nasty...its quite profound, as well as beautiful. the experience for me is one of absolute surrender, love, and at times immense fear thinking that I am never coming back... usually i come out feeling immensely humbled by what I have just witnessed, and take the next 10 minutes getting used to being in my body again

 

[totemkul]

break though is not an objective experience, its very much a subjective experience, only you will know the break through you have experienced, nobody else can verify it for you because you have experienced it in the depth of your conciousness and its absolutely ineffable.