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This guy was just way ahead of his time, we really aren't short on ideas, its just the will to implement them or the faith that they will work.. as this thread about Ron Paul has painfully illustrated.

As I said before in previous post that the universe will remove obstacles once you show that your committed to a certain goal, I call it magic .
 
DeMenTed said:
SnozzleBerry said:
Rick Parry IS Republican Jesus.




A vote for Parry is a vote for America
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Sorry to resurect this thread but you say snozz that ron paul is full of empty rhetoric, can you show me how mr parry isnt full of the same rhetoric? It would validate your arguments.
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:lol:

You should take that statement with a grain of salt, a lick of lime and a shot of tequila. :p
 
DeMenTed said:
"faith in god" nuff said LOL.

Aren't there any athiest politicians in america?
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Bernie Sanders I think.

I'm really afraid of Rick Perry. This guy is the real fucking deal. I would rather have George W. again than this guy. I'm really hoping Obama wins again and goes all out, deep down inside I know he wants to.

EDIT: As far as Ron Paul he's one crazy old man... Doesn't accept evolution, is against gay marriage, abortion, a whole bunch of other important things. I do respect him for his integrity and his desire to get out of the middle east and end the drug war. I'd vote for him if he kept the crazy parts to himself 😉
 
1992 said:
DeMenTed said:
As far as Ron Paul he's one crazy old man... Doesn't accept evolution, is against gay marriage, abortion, a whole bunch of other important things. I do respect him for his integrity and his desire to get out of the middle east and end the drug war. I'd vote for him if he kept the crazy parts to himself 😉
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"Against" means delegate authority to author laws for each state to the people of that state right? I might be wrong about this, but isn't that what R.P.'s everlastingly upheld as lawful? So to relinquish the right to the states - the people - to author their own laws means to "be against..important things" according to 1992. To "be against" delegates from New York having a voice in the laws of the people of the state of Nevada, within their own state, for example. To respect the voice and sovereignty of the people of a state to decide their own laws, for their own, is "crazy" according to 1992. So who cares about evolution? That question was the application of a religious test to a political candidate by an ignorant public, read the Constitution. To be a congressman or president is not a scientific post, nor a religious one. Nor is it a school board.

Awesome Kick-Ass America Video A1pha!!! YEH!!!
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I'm not really a proponent of Ron Paul, but to answer the above, he doesn't believe in viewing people as groups. He's not a collectivist, he's an extreme individualist. That's why he's against things like affirmative action or rights for certain groups of people. He views things in terms of individual rights.
 
easyrider said:
He views things in terms of individual rights.
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Not that I doubt what you say - but can we cite sources of candidate's positions instead of this he said/she said I'm seeing all over this thread? It will allow us to discuss the points in finer detail.

Thank you.
 
easyrider said:
He views things in terms of individual rights.
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Sure, which is precisely why he sounds "right" or "good" to many people, but still misses the mark as far as pragmatism (from a non-imperialist American or global perspective).

Peck on the two currents of "human rights" :

The first current largely embodies the popular American view, which emphasizes civil and political rights and embraces a moderate, democratic, step-by-step incorporation of human needs into a kind of rights-based legalism. Perhaps such rights are easier to understand in terms of individual freedom: they do more to liberate individuals from the deprivations of caste than of class, freeing them from archaic restraints and traditions but not from economic subjugation.
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The second current has less to do with individual freedom and more to do with basic needs. It is associated with popular mass movements, revolution by populations in desperate straits, and resistance. From this perspective, the human rights movement emerged not only as a response to the savagery of World War II and the Holocaust but, more significantly, out of the movements for independence that broke the grip of European colonialism. Central to the second current are challenges to corporate power, state repression, foreign occupation, and global economic inequality, as well as the protection of collective means of struggle, from labor unions to revolution.
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The first current, which Mr. Paul appeals to, is all well and good but when implemented/appealed to with no implementation/reference to the second current (which is precisely how Mr. Paul presents it), it serves less as a model for spreading liberty/democracy and more as a way of Westernizing the globe.
 
a1pha said:
easyrider said:
He views things in terms of individual rights.
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Not that I doubt what you say - but can we cite sources of candidate's positions instead of this he said/she said I'm seeing all over this thread? It will allow us to discuss the points in finer detail.

Thank you.
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Ron Paul said:
All rights are individuals. We do not get our rights because we belong to a group. Whether it's homosexuals, women, minorities, it leads us astray. You don't get your rights belonging to your group. A group can't force themselves on anybody else. So there should be no affirmative action for any group. This violates the principle on the importance of the individual, and confuses us about the importance of individual rights, which is the purpose of the Constitution. Defend our individual rights.
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SnozzleBerry said:
The first current, which Mr. Paul appeals to, is all well and good but when implemented/appealed to with no implementation/reference to the second current (which is precisely how Mr. Paul presents it), it serves less as a model for spreading liberty/democracy and more as a way of Westernizing the globe.
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Ron Paul would not advocate the collectivist approach of the second current that you stated, so of course he wouldn't appeal to it. More so, he wouldn't appeal towards the "economic subjugation" part of the stated first current, as he is championing for laissez-faire capitalism. He cares not for Westernizing the rest of the world; although, he tries to gain sympathy from those concerned with the well-being of other nations by persuading them that they will want to strive for America's model if they see how prosperous she becomes.

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Once government believes it has an obligation to improve or protect the people physically it will then claim it can protect them economically and intellectually. It leads to a regimented society, hostile to individuals who cling to the notion that their lives and liberty are their own. Conservatives certainly must be reminded that "civil" liberty is the same as economic liberty, and present-day liberals must be told that economic liberty deserves the same protection that the written and spoken word under the First Amendment. Preemptive regulations of either literary commercial activity, for any reason, are prohibited in a free society.
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easyrider said:
Ron Paul would not advocate the collectivist approach of the second current that you stated, so of course he wouldn't appeal to it. More so, he wouldn't appeal towards the "economic subjugation" part of the stated first current, as he is championing for laissez-faire capitalism.
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The appeal to the first current without the appeal to the second current is PRECISELY my point, this is how human rights are stripped away under the guise of "protecting human rights." And as far as him championing "laissez-faire capitalism"...what a crock. He has supported numerous subsidies (and yes, "tax-credits" are subsidies) and nanny-state protectionism for business. That is NOT "laissez-faire capitalism". Thus he is as down with "economic subjugation" as his peers...sure, he's not as far along the spectrum as Perry, but who cares? The "free market" or "laissez-faire" economics do not exist with regards to American political approaches. Yes, he has opposed many subsidies, but he has also supported others...that does not make him a free market advocate, imo, not by a long shot.
 
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I´ve heard he wants to isolate america from the rest of the world. While i don´t think america should play the 'world police' all the time, i don´t think that a total isolation would be a very good thing either.

I have also heard that he wants to shut-down the federal reserve bank. While i´m not an economist, that doesn´t sound like a smart idea to me either. I suppose that you americans don´t want to end up in the same situation as we in the eurozone are, or have different currency´s for each state?
 
polytrip said:
I´ve heard he wants to isolate america from the rest of the world. While i don´t think america should play the 'world police' all the time, i don´t think that a total isolation would be a very good thing either.

I have also heard that he wants to shut-down the federal reserve bank. While i´m not an economist, that doesn´t sound like a smart idea to me either. I suppose that you americans don´t want to end up in the same situation as we in the eurozone are, or have different currency´s for each state?
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Isolationist tag is a sham! You are listening to MSM bs propaganda. He wants to have free trade with all countries in the world there's nothing Isolationist about following the constitution of America. He wants to spend money on defence rather than spending the money overseas on military bases. The federal reserve is destroying our economy. Please refer to this video and get informed a bit on what the federal reserve has done to america:
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Also these videos will give you some perspective on Ron Pauls views:
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Looks like Santorum gathered up the Christian populace; there's no other explanation for how a person who has been dwindling for months got 2nd place in the Iowa caucus.
 
what a nutjob :roll:

Paul wrote about sexual harassment in the workplace, “Why don’t they quit once the so-called harassment starts? Obviously the morals of the harasser cannot be defended, but how can the harassee escape some responsibility for the problem?’’

In another passage, Paul wrote, “The individual suffering from AIDS certainly is a victim - frequently a victim of his own lifestyle - but this same individual victimizes innocent citizens by forcing them to pay for his care.”
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Oh yea...and he's a racist...and he's a misogynist...just who I want at the forefront of my country :lol:
 
He disavowed those racial statements in the newsletters. Plus, he believes that the drug war is prejudiced against minorities. What makes him a misogynist, though? Sexual harassment can go both ways in the workplace. Also, HIV is primarily sexually transmitted, so lifestyle does play into this.
 
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